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Old Jul 12, 2016 | 03:23 PM
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Squeaking from front left wheel after rim installation!?

I put some 18" HD Tuning Hi Speed rims on my R53 about a month ago. Almost immediately, I noticed a squeaking (sounds like the brake squeaker). But my pads are almost 50%. I've also noticed more vibration than normal in the steering wheel, roads are horrible in SC! Any idea on how I can narrow down the problem?

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Old Jul 15, 2016 | 04:51 AM
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Old Jul 15, 2016 | 05:44 AM
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Just new rims? No spacers?
 
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Old Jul 15, 2016 | 07:18 AM
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No spacers. Just the hub centric rings and tuner lugs.



I did find the holes for the lugs to be a bit off center, that was pretty odd. That pic was taken 6/19 when I put the rims on
 
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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 06:56 AM
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Any idea what the off center lugs could mean? Does this hub look problematic, or is it just me?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 09:05 AM
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That slotted head screw looks to be above the level of the disc/rotor. It should not be casting a shadow, because it should be below the face of the disc/rotor. If it is above, your wheel is not seated flat against the rotor. Get the proper Torx screw.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CRC
That slotted head screw looks to be above the level of the disc/rotor. It should not be casting a shadow, because it should be below the face of the disc/rotor. If it is above, your wheel is not seated flat against the rotor. Get the proper Torx screw.

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Your rim is not seating flat to the rotor, which is causing the wheel to wobble, the squeak could be the rim shimmying on the lugs. You might could get away with grinding the head of that screw flush to the rotor but I'd just replace it. I can't imagine it's that expensive.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 10:42 PM
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https://www.waymotorworks.com/brake-...set-screw.html
 
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Old Jul 17, 2016 | 04:49 AM
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Again, check the slotted bolt head. It should be flushed or sunken. If it is ok, try going back to stock bolts. Your lugs may be too long for closed nuts, perhaps?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2016 | 06:14 AM
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Also, is the large axle nut tight? I noticed that the small lip/flange on the nut is not staked into the slot on the axle. This prevents the nut from "walking" off.
 

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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 06:55 AM
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Gotcha! I knew that hub looked like a problem. Thanks guys, when I get home I'll be taking that sucker off and seeing what needs to be done.

About the lugs, I had to use the tuner lugs as my original lugs were too large in diameter and not quite long enough. Wish I could use em...
 
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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 07:00 AM
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Btw, that large nut on the axle. How can that come loose, would the previous owner have had to broken the flange?

Thanks CRC, got the new axle nut on the way!
 

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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 08:57 AM
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If it is ok, try going back to stock bolts. Your lugs may be too long for closed nuts, perhaps?
I'm not exactly with ya here. How would I be able to back to stock bolts. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to. They seem a hell of a lot more secure, but they're just too big for the rims... Or am I missing something?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 09:20 AM
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Make sure that the nut is torqued to correct setting (134ft/lbs I think, but don't quote me on that), and then use a punch to stake the small flange into the groove. Always use the correct Torx screw to hold the rotor. Both items are easily available from any of the vendors on this site, (ECS, Pelican, WMW, Mini Mania).
 
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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 01:45 PM
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that rotor bolt is actually superfluous ... you don't need it

Its only purpose is to hold the rotor in place as the wheel is attached, it provides no "strength" ... a properly tightened wheel holds the rotor in place WAY better than this lil bolt will!

SO .... take the imposter out and see if the problem goes away, it could be preventing the wheel from sitting flat to the hub .... you can replace it later with the proper bolt (which has a flat head and is a TORX btw so we KNOW this one is fubar)

And I'm sure you put 2 and 2 together and realize that the prior owner at least pulled the hub if not replaced it .... cuz I doubt a reputable mech (even a dealer) would fail to dimple / stake the lock . . .
 

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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 02:33 PM
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Also, is the large axle nut tight? I noticed that the small lip/flange on the nut is not staked into the slot on the axle. This prevents the nut from "walking" off.
Yep, You can get a new one and then when tight, tap it with a wedge or small chisel to bend the lip back.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-axle-nut.html




and the rotor screws here: 07136772426

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-rotors-2.html


 
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Old Jul 18, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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OK. Thanks guys. I love you all! Took the wheel off, ground that flat head screw flush... Test drove....

And voilà! NO MORE SQUEAKS or SQUEALS!

Also, I tried tightening the axle nut... I maybe tightened it 1/8th of a turn. Got a new one on the way anyways, I jumped the gun on buying that one.

As for the rotor screws, turns out I have 4 CORRECT screws on my R50 parts car. So I'll just steal one from Coopa. It's a Torx T47 size I believe it was.

Getting that screw out though, it's going to be a task I'll try and tackle this weekend. I need to cut a groove in it to catch more meat with the screwdriver.


Hey, I'm super happy that the squeaking is gone, along with all steering wheel vibration! I forgot to tell you about the vibration, it was pretty tiring and intense.

Problems solved! Love you MINIACS!
Thanks fellas 100 times over!
 

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Glad everything worked out okay.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2016 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Riley
I'm not exactly with ya here. How would I be able to back to stock bolts. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to. They seem a hell of a lot more secure, but they're just too big for the rims... Or am I missing something?
They make tuner style lug bolts that use a key to work with aftermarket rims with smaller holes.
 
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