I understand your point. Am I not allowed to participate in this thread because I no longer own an R53?

This has nothing to do with being insecure. I assume though that the same could be said for the R53 owners in this thread as well? Just drive your car and be happy. Why is there a need to bash the R56? I'm finding it humorous that when someone comes to bash the R56 thats fair game, but when someone comes to defend it they're called insecure, multiple times in fact.

 

This thread was started by the OP on the premise that there would be some folks that wished the R53 had stayed the way it was and would like to discuss it. I am one of those folks, so I chimed in.

I reread my posts to look for bashing and did not see any. So we either don't agree or you were speaking generally.

Maybe I shouldn't have made the insecure remark. But, if there was a thread over on the Gen 2 forum touting the virtues of the R56 over the R53, I'd just move on, rather than participate. Why? I don't care what anyone thinks of my car or how much better they think their's may be. That's high school.

It all boils down to opinion and priorities and we should be allowed to disagree on both.

 

Sorry, it doesn't... however, I got this mental picture in my head of a R56 owner touching the hood of their car... and yelling "it burns"!

As for discussion forums and firearms, yes, I both enjoy and regularly exercise my 1st and 2nd amendment God given rights... what a great country we live in!

 

I have never know R53 enthusiasts not to enjoy a lively debate on automobiles, especially comparisons of the various strengths of the R53 as compared to other offerings. All opinions and debate is both encouraged and welcome! It does seem however their is a number of R56 owners who take these comparisons far to personal. I have witnessed this behavior since the early threads on the R56. People need to remember one simple premise: The fact that the R53 is geared towards the driving enthusiast.. while the R56 is geared towards appealing to the masses is not a bash.. it is a BMW marketing strategy.

 

Sorry, I was speaking generally, I probably shouldn't have quoted you.

Either way, if this thread was truly about the virtues of the R53 vs. the R56, then I would agree with you. Now, if there was a thread dedicated to nothing but bashing the R53 in the 2nd gen forums, would you feel the same way? Perhaps, but I doubt that most people would feel the same. I honestly don't see this as immature. If someone wants to create a thread dedicated to degrading the R56, then people should have the same right to defend it.

You're right though, in the end we all just have differing opinions and we're all expressing them here. I don't see the need for this thread, and you don't see the need for me to defend my car. Just make note that there has been zero bashing of the R53 in this thread (or any other thread besides the "the R53 looks emaciated thread"), and the same absolutely cannot be said for the R56 in this thread, as well as many of the threads in the 2nd gen forums.

 

I'd like to think that's because its so beautiful.

Dean.

That's weird ...why did the system attribute itburns to a VicSkimmr quote? This thread is getting stranger all the time.

 

LOL ok so I should've seen that one coming.

 

It is difficult to find fault with the R53 or the might Tritec!

 

I haven't read this entire thread but there certainly has been bashing both ways. Starting with the OP. I give the OP credit for admitting to not having driven an 07 and also for stating that the R56 looks great, but there is a lot of statements having to do with ruining the MINI - the word used being "damaged". Overall the Op and the rest of this thread seems to be all about proclaiming the R53 being better and being "really" an MC.

I am sure it has been said somewhere in here but the Real Mini stopped production a long time ago. Why? Changes didn't keep up? So when BMW brought it back, the changes were much more radical than the differences between the R53 and the R56.

Changes will keep coming. It will be interesting to see what the car will look like in ten years compared to the R53.

Once again I see nothing wrong with appreciating the R53. But to proclaim that the R56 is a ruination I think is a bit much. I think that is the point of many here. I can understand why R56 owners are offended. Opinion is one thing but insulting and statements about "mine is better than yours" - now thats High School.

 

You guys/gals need to relax and go buy a new cup holder or two!

 

Software issue - not an engine issue. Read ClubmanS's post - either that or better familiarize yourself with the issue next time.

Piston slap and heat management issues are totally different problems that cannot be fixed with a simple software reflash.

 

Especially the R53 owners since only 1/3 of theirs is usable. *zing!*

 

 

We got 4 cupholders and they add 100HP.

 

Right and the Tritec has a perfect track record. I haven't seen any R56s spontaneously catch fire yet. My point was that every new car has growing pains and bugs to iron out, and not every R56 has the issues stated.

 

With the r56 registering top of hood temperatures approaching 350 degrees.. the last thing a R56 owner should be doing is point fingers at the Tritec!

Your fake hood scoop melt yet? Give it time...

 

My R53 only tends to catch fire when passing and R56 with extra cup holders

 

Ah yes, the one part of the R53 that I think sucks. There ...I said it!

The first thing I did was put that big POS on eBay and order a MINI-FINI.

Hey ...nice signature !

Dean.

 

Yeah, mine held my phone for about 3 weeks...then went buh bye.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...0&postcount=22

 

You seem hell bent on blaming the tritec engine for those fire incidents. Read my lips...those incidents HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FREAKING ENGINE

 

It comes with the BBQ package

 

Again - you're confusing an R53 electrical issue with the Tritec. If you bothered to actually read the entire thread you would have noted that the issue had nothing to do with the engine.

The R53 had plenty of issues - unfortunately for your badly researched comparisons, the Tritec was not one of them. Some of them made it into the R56 - have fun with your noisy, unfixable DMF (assuming of course you have a manual).

A little browsing will get you nice and prepared for the eventual trip to the Dealer.

 

This book supplements the R56 owners manual...

 

Forgive me for not having kept up on this, but where does the info on this temp problem come from? I have been searching for it and can't find it.

Also do we know why the engine development partnership is ending? The argument that the end of this partnership is an acknowledgment of the current engine being a POS is, so far, unconvincing to me. The same logic could be applied to the r53 engine. If BMW was convinced that it was a fantastic engine, why would they scrap it?

The only hint at why the Peugeot partnership is ending, is that BMW is concerned with the costs of producing the engine, not quality. BMW seems determined to keep the MINI production costs low while maintaining quality.

Maybe part of the answer for scrapping the Brazilian engine is in BMW's attempts to better gas mileage. I received an e-mail today that BMW is bringing its diesel engine to the US later this year in the 3 series and X5. I have also seen that a partnership between BMW and Mercedes is expected (or is this already known by now?) in developing future engines, particularly diesel engines. BMW, Mercedes and GM have been involved in joint development of hybrid technology for three years. BMW has shown a hybrid version of its new X6 at the auto shows.

 

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=106704

Is a good starter. I'll post more in a few minutes but you won't see them for a few hours as the Moderators must approve of everything I post.