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General consensus says the front neg. camber should be in the neighborhood of 1 degree more than the rear.I've played around with different combinations but haven't tried anything quite like what you've got. Have you tried this set-up on any real challenging twisties?
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Wow, it sounds like your Mini drives like a whole different animal now. 
What suspension components are you running. Can you give a list? This year, I'll probably pull the trigger on some new suspension items & I'd like to get a running start at experienced people's feedback. CAP49, can you chime in too? 
What suspension components are you running. Can you give a list? This year, I'll probably pull the trigger on some new suspension items & I'd like to get a running start at experienced people's feedback. CAP49, can you chime in too? 1) adjustable front camber plates.
2) adjustable rear lower contol arms.
3) 3-way adjustable higher than stock rated rear sway-bar.( no end links )
4) Koni Yellows (Sport) with H-Sport springs.
Fairly simple and realitively easy to adjust. Why adjustable you may ask?
Because there are times you want to give-up a smooth ride for performance handling and visa versa.Or one performance type of driving, Auto-x vs. Track-day, requires different characteristics from your one and only car.
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From: Modesto, Calif.
If you are @ 1/16 toe out in the front @ -1.5 camber than you'll have even more toe out at -2.25 if the toe isn't adjusted when the camber is changed.
General consensus says the front neg. camber should be in the neighborhood of 1 degree more than the rear.I've played around with different combinations but haven't tried anything quite like what you've got. Have you tried this set-up on any real challenging twisties?
General consensus says the front neg. camber should be in the neighborhood of 1 degree more than the rear.I've played around with different combinations but haven't tried anything quite like what you've got. Have you tried this set-up on any real challenging twisties?
Following your train of thought...I'm thinking of going back in, set it at -2.25 and see what the "toe" is? Re-set it to 1/16 out and then move the camber to -1.5 and see how much the toe changes. Depending on the difference, keep the 1/16 toe out when camber is -2.25. Don't really care about tire wear on the street.....but don't want to fight driveability issues either. My rear camber has not changed from the time I had the springs/shocks installed last March at AMVIV....2 track days and several autoX days, so I'm not sure I would feel a difference by going to to -1.25 in the rear......but now that I have the adjustable fronts, who knows? The alignment was so far off that anything would be an improvement!
Just keep "tweaking" it!
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That would make sense. Hasn't been out of the garage since I got done. But maybe this weekend.
Following your train of thought...I'm thinking of going back in, set it at -2.25 and see what the "toe" is? Re-set it to 1/16 out and then move the camber to -1.5 and see how much the toe changes. Depending on the difference, keep the 1/16 toe out when camber is -2.25. Don't really care about tire wear on the street.....but don't want to fight driveability issues either. My rear camber has not changed from the time I had the springs/shocks installed last March at AMVIV....2 track days and several autoX days, so I'm not sure I would feel a difference by going to to -1.25 in the rear......but now that I have the adjustable fronts, who knows? The alignment was so far off that anything would be an improvement! Just keep "tweaking" it!
Following your train of thought...I'm thinking of going back in, set it at -2.25 and see what the "toe" is? Re-set it to 1/16 out and then move the camber to -1.5 and see how much the toe changes. Depending on the difference, keep the 1/16 toe out when camber is -2.25. Don't really care about tire wear on the street.....but don't want to fight driveability issues either. My rear camber has not changed from the time I had the springs/shocks installed last March at AMVIV....2 track days and several autoX days, so I'm not sure I would feel a difference by going to to -1.25 in the rear......but now that I have the adjustable fronts, who knows? The alignment was so far off that anything would be an improvement!
Just keep "tweaking" it!If you do what your talking about it will be a test of your relationship with you old buds at the alignment shop. Hopefully you will and you'll come away with some very valuable test data for everyone with a Mini.Remember from grammar school .... sharing is good.....
On the topic of your rear camber settings I can't help but think that that wide a stance is going to be a devil to break loose for any kind of induced rotation.
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[quote=CAP49;2022580].... sharing is good....quote]
He must be old. I'm pretty sure the 'sharing is good' motto was dead by the 70's.
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[quote=CAP49;2022580].... sharing is good....quote]
He must be old. I'm pretty sure the 'sharing is good' motto was dead by the 70's.
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Just might have to start a new...sub club! Well Seasoned MINI Motoring Group. WSMMG? AARP is just a fading fancy. 
Store bought body parts welcomed!!
Store bought body parts welcomed!!
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My this really is a "Seasoned" group. Who knew?
Nice to hear from you Eric in Santa Cruz. If we ever get that run together with Minichief in your area please hook-up.
And Brad shame on ya for egging-on The Big Guy he doesn't need any help.
Nice to hear from you Eric in Santa Cruz. If we ever get that run together with Minichief in your area please hook-up.
And Brad shame on ya for egging-on The Big Guy he doesn't need any help.
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Hey I'm not so big anymore.
Eric is a good guy you'd like him cliff.
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Thats true,
I guess thats a good way of looking at it no matter how seasoned I get I'll never be as seasoned as cliff. 
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Nope Bonus is for what I did last year. I have work to do so I can get one in July and then again next Jan/Feb.
Should be here today or tomorrow. I guess then I'll take it over to Brad and Steve and say have fun.
I have work to do so I can get one in July and then again next Jan/Feb. Should be here today or tomorrow. I guess then I'll take it over to Brad and Steve and say have fun.
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Two words: wheels-tires.
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