Interior/Exterior Palo Uber Tuner Lugs; what's up?
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I'm keeping this short and sweet because you guys are rediculous.
I have spoken to them, They have given me a name of someone at Lambo that I can call. I have the # just not in front of me.
I HAVE READ THIS POST, and am still amazed.
I mentioned the rust issue to them and I was also told that there was a bad batch. And yes I know that LUGS RUSTING IS BAD!
There's one thing about reviewing products, It's different to treat other NAM members like Idiots. That's why I tell you guys to lighten up
And yes, Look at all car companys and tell me they don't re-brand products. Come on!
Isn't that the way the world survives these days.
Gotta say, I haven't had any issues with them
I have spoken to them, They have given me a name of someone at Lambo that I can call. I have the # just not in front of me.
I HAVE READ THIS POST, and am still amazed.
I mentioned the rust issue to them and I was also told that there was a bad batch. And yes I know that LUGS RUSTING IS BAD!
There's one thing about reviewing products, It's different to treat other NAM members like Idiots. That's why I tell you guys to lighten up
And yes, Look at all car companys and tell me they don't re-brand products. Come on!
Isn't that the way the world survives these days.
Gotta say, I haven't had any issues with them
To answer your first question....yes i have a big beef with them. They have been proven to lie to their customers about parts and their company more times than i can count, their products are of sub-par quality (proven fact), they are ripping people off of their money is this friendly MINI community, and they have yet to give backup for their claims about performance.
I'm sorry....you actually believe that they manufacture their own parts? That's where you are wrong.
I call BS on all of it....i would love just the slightest proof that they manufacture the wheels. I would also like to see what kind of backup or tests the lambo guys did to "back their rims up". Have you seen proof of any of that stuff?
The Palos are the EXACT SAME RIMS as the sportmax's.....same poor quality, same wheels used by cheap hondas and scions all over the US. The palo wheels even have the sportmax engravings on them. Why would a lambo dealer back up honda wheels?
I have asked PU many times to prove that they manufacture the wheels....and they have yet to give me any proof that they do.
I do find it amusing that some people fall for it though.... Good luck with the tuner lugs you are getting next week...if you read this thread (which i dont think you did) you would know that there is a very good chance that you will witness rust in the coming months. Rust is not a good thing on lugs
One more added note....If you read my post above about the wheels....i would hope you would rethink the whole thing about you getting "hooked up". It's not considered a sale if they take the price, raise it $500 and then "hook you up" by giving you a $400 "sale"......you aren't getting hooked up in that situation. A hook up would be them giving you the wheels for $480 because that is slightly below the market price. When you get that kind of hook up from them....let me know. Otherwise....they are just jacking their prices and then giving out "NAM SPECIALS" to all NAM members (their entire customer base).
I'm sorry....you actually believe that they manufacture their own parts? That's where you are wrong.
I call BS on all of it....i would love just the slightest proof that they manufacture the wheels. I would also like to see what kind of backup or tests the lambo guys did to "back their rims up". Have you seen proof of any of that stuff?
The Palos are the EXACT SAME RIMS as the sportmax's.....same poor quality, same wheels used by cheap hondas and scions all over the US. The palo wheels even have the sportmax engravings on them. Why would a lambo dealer back up honda wheels?
I have asked PU many times to prove that they manufacture the wheels....and they have yet to give me any proof that they do. I do find it amusing that some people fall for it though....
Good luck with the tuner lugs you are getting next week...if you read this thread (which i dont think you did) you would know that there is a very good chance that you will witness rust in the coming months. Rust is not a good thing on lugsOne more added note....If you read my post above about the wheels....i would hope you would rethink the whole thing about you getting "hooked up". It's not considered a sale if they take the price, raise it $500 and then "hook you up" by giving you a $400 "sale"......you aren't getting hooked up in that situation. A hook up would be them giving you the wheels for $480 because that is slightly below the market price. When you get that kind of hook up from them....let me know. Otherwise....they are just jacking their prices and then giving out "NAM SPECIALS" to all NAM members (their entire customer base).
A) MINI's come with bolts, not lugs.
B) some aftermarket wheels have tight tolerances on the mounting holes - there's no room to fit a traditional impact socket around the bolt/lug. 'Tuner lugs' use an insert, similar to an allen wrench so that there's no issue with clearances. Some wheels require use of something other than stock bolts (some people even do a lug conversion).
B) some aftermarket wheels have tight tolerances on the mounting holes - there's no room to fit a traditional impact socket around the bolt/lug. 'Tuner lugs' use an insert, similar to an allen wrench so that there's no issue with clearances. Some wheels require use of something other than stock bolts (some people even do a lug conversion).
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"a world famous genious artist"
...and:
"are made out of 110% Unobtanium(tm), a wondrous and magical material that fell from the heavens in a meteorite and, despite looking like cheap ricer crap, actually give your car an extra 300% horsepower boost when installed. Please note that Unobtanium(tm) products can very easily be installed improperly by mouth-breathing, f*ckwad customers, and doing so will cause the part to rust/break/corrode/catch fire instantaneously. If this happens, it is completely the f*ckwad user's fault.
Unless there was a bad batch. Then, somehow, it's still the f*ckwad customer's fault."
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From: oh10
I'm keeping this short and sweet because you guys are rediculous.
I have spoken to them, They have given me a name of someone at Lambo that I can call. I have the # just not in front of me.
I HAVE READ THIS POST, and am still amazed.
I mentioned the rust issue to them and I was also told that there was a bad batch. And yes I know that LUGS RUSTING IS BAD!
I have spoken to them, They have given me a name of someone at Lambo that I can call. I have the # just not in front of me.
I HAVE READ THIS POST, and am still amazed.
I mentioned the rust issue to them and I was also told that there was a bad batch. And yes I know that LUGS RUSTING IS BAD!
Get the number of the lambo guy (and name, i wouldnt want to be rude)...i would love to give him a call
Lambo's never had 4x100 lug pattern.....so I really don't know why a lambo guy would be testing PU wheels.....but it's worth a shot. 
Lots of companies rebrand.....but none of them have lied about it like PU has. M7 will tell you that their grills are rebranded in a second if you ask them. Also, none of the companies mark the prices up as high above the original manufacturers prices....they might add a small percentage of the original price....but never $300 dollars on a set of $150 wheels.....thats the price of 2 more wheels.
I understand you're fairly new to NAM...but do some research before jumping on us for talking about PU's improper buisness ethics.
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Yes, I have been reading NAM for Over a year now but have recently become a member.
I don't mean to jump into a discussion mid stream, never my intentions.
I'm just trying to bring my opinion to the thread.
And my experience with PU, does not match the rest I guess.
The guy at lambo works there, he drives an uber mini and he apparently has chosen there Signature series rims as the finest "so he says"
Bryce said He wouldn't mind being contacted so let me get the info.
To be honest, I got there CF wing below cost and the lug kit was free!
They have also sent me a few antennas with their packages.
The scoop I got refunded.
So for me, I've had no issues with them.
I don't mean to jump into a discussion mid stream, never my intentions.
I'm just trying to bring my opinion to the thread.
And my experience with PU, does not match the rest I guess.
The guy at lambo works there, he drives an uber mini and he apparently has chosen there Signature series rims as the finest "so he says"
Bryce said He wouldn't mind being contacted so let me get the info.
To be honest, I got there CF wing below cost and the lug kit was free!
They have also sent me a few antennas with their packages.
The scoop I got refunded.
So for me, I've had no issues with them.
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I was talking with them about wheels.
Mentioned that I got Enkei RPM2's and they are no longer available.
Bryces response was:
We have had two or three customers that did get the signature series forged rims from us when they found out there was no way with those rims. All are extremely happy with them, including a John Harad, who is a principle of Lambourghini Dallas. I am certain he wouldn't mind if you contacted him. He obviously knows his stuff, and said he felt ours were a "much" higher quality and is estatic.....
So his working with Lambo makes him a person sold on quality.
Sounds like you all could use a vacation, you jump on anything.
Kind of makes me hate this site to be honest.
Someone bringing there opinion gets jumped on.
Hope all have a good long weekend with NAM offline
Mentioned that I got Enkei RPM2's and they are no longer available.
Bryces response was:
We have had two or three customers that did get the signature series forged rims from us when they found out there was no way with those rims. All are extremely happy with them, including a John Harad, who is a principle of Lambourghini Dallas. I am certain he wouldn't mind if you contacted him. He obviously knows his stuff, and said he felt ours were a "much" higher quality and is estatic.....
So his working with Lambo makes him a person sold on quality.
Sounds like you all could use a vacation, you jump on anything.
Kind of makes me hate this site to be honest.
Someone bringing there opinion gets jumped on.
Hope all have a good long weekend with NAM offline
I live in Dallas, I know where Lambo of Dallas is, guess I'll need to run over and talk to them.
MidniteCoop, take a look at the Antenna thread too... I lost all respect for P.U. at AMVIV when "Sir" Richard lied to me in person.
MidniteCoop, take a look at the Antenna thread too... I lost all respect for P.U. at AMVIV when "Sir" Richard lied to me in person.
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Why is it that people enjoy being ripped off and dealt one ridiculous story ("bad batch", "lambo guy") after another?
gnatster - Let us know what this "sold on quality" Lambo guy says about the wheels...I am betting this guy/figure doesn't even exist.
TJM
gnatster - Let us know what this "sold on quality" Lambo guy says about the wheels...I am betting this guy/figure doesn't even exist.
TJM
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And when you say chosen...surely you don't mean for his lambo, because they wont fit. I'm still a bit confused on the whole lambo thing. It's just some dude who works for lambo and complimented the wheels? The lips on the palo Uber wheels aren't even polished, they are machined lips. How can that be the best quality?
I don't even understand what "tuner" lugs DO. How are they better than plan old lugs (which you got with your wheels when you bought the car)? Do they make the exhaust buzz louder or glow with LEDs or something? It seems to me that if the only thing that makes them different is that they can't be removed unless you have a special key (which can be lost or, in PU's case, broken) then they're much more of a liability than anything.
I used to run locking lugs nuts on my old car (one per wheel to keep them from walking off) and it used an interior hole pattern and an adapter that fit inside my vanilla lug wrentch. Despite costing like $25 they never rusted even after like 7 years on the car... Another BS PU "claim" contradicted by simple fact. Or, if they did, they rusted INSIDE narrow slot hole and I never noticed... I guess PU is just that much more observant than the rest of us. :impatient
Tis seems like WAY too much time, effort and money for something that only seems to have one function: to keep you from removing your wheels when you want to. What am I missing here?
I used to run locking lugs nuts on my old car (one per wheel to keep them from walking off) and it used an interior hole pattern and an adapter that fit inside my vanilla lug wrentch. Despite costing like $25 they never rusted even after like 7 years on the car... Another BS PU "claim" contradicted by simple fact. Or, if they did, they rusted INSIDE narrow slot hole and I never noticed... I guess PU is just that much more observant than the rest of us. :impatient
Tis seems like WAY too much time, effort and money for something that only seems to have one function: to keep you from removing your wheels when you want to. What am I missing here?
From what I quoted of the e-mail ("I have ordered your tuner lugs from london which we do not stock here. There is no inside hole, as the key fits the outside shape of the lug. Thus cant rust. The guys in europe use them during winter to prevent mud and salt getting in the tuner opening. I will of course exchange them for you at no charge and include your socket which fits on the end of your Uber wrench.") they would seem to be the same sort that you mentioned. In any case, this will be my third set of some sort of PU lugs and this time they either remain spotless or they do not not, but me seeking a refund would be the next logical step, although I doubt my credit card company will be of any assistance, as the first set was charged probably 9 months ago by now.
Frankly, as much as those here who are down on PU dominate the rap, I hope I find lug nirvana, as it would be so much less trouble. On the wheels being rebadged and excessively priced, I actually have no opinion, as I do not have any personal experience there (although I must say from the photos they do appear very similar), but my PU stubby has been perfectly fine from the get go, so that is one product that had no issues.
Apparently the price of lug nirvana has risen. 
I looked for these lugs to see whey they were so special (and from what I found, they do seem superior), but that $65 price seems to have been fleeting (see the link below), unless you know of a place that has them in stock at that $65 price. The prevailing price seems to now be in the $85 - $99 range from what I came across. 
http://www.oakos.com/Merchant2/merch..._Code=MCG84241
I looked for these lugs to see whey they were so special (and from what I found, they do seem superior), but that $65 price seems to have been fleeting (see the link below), unless you know of a place that has them in stock at that $65 price. The prevailing price seems to now be in the $85 - $99 range from what I came across. http://www.oakos.com/Merchant2/merch..._Code=MCG84241
Chrome - $67.95 with locks - click add $10 for black chrome. I ordered a 12x1.5mm 5 lug kit in black chrome for mine....this allows me a choice of using locks or not. Here's the 16pc kit with locks in chrome
Well, now after looking at my existing PU lugs, as well as the OEM ones, we seem to be talking apples and oranges. The photo above is for lug nuts, when my 2006 MCS uses lug bolts, which seem to match-up to this locking variety from the same website (although I have still yet to find a complete set of 12 lug bolts with 4 additional locking ones and a key, but I'm still looking). Am I missing something here?
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
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or you could just find a company selling chrome bolts....when i went to get my wheels mounted, i need ball seats so i asked them for whatever they had. They had some super cheap chrome bolts.......no rust and i live on an island surrounded by salt water wher the roads flood with pools of saltwater with every storm 
No idea which company they are though....
No idea which company they are though....
Rally &PGT:
Thanks for all your advice! I'll still wait to see what it is exactly that the folks at PU are sending me this time to replace my second rusted set of PU tuner lugs. It certainly sounds like it will be a set of locking bolts with closed ends, similar to the ones that are pictured at the McGard site (part # 27179) at http://www.mcgard.com/search/default...D=9&GroupID=40 I wonder which manufacturer will have made this set. If somehow these do not work out, I'll probably try one of the alternatives you've suggested.
Thanks for all your advice! I'll still wait to see what it is exactly that the folks at PU are sending me this time to replace my second rusted set of PU tuner lugs. It certainly sounds like it will be a set of locking bolts with closed ends, similar to the ones that are pictured at the McGard site (part # 27179) at http://www.mcgard.com/search/default...D=9&GroupID=40 I wonder which manufacturer will have made this set. If somehow these do not work out, I'll probably try one of the alternatives you've suggested.
Given the fact that this will be the third set of lug bolts they are supplying to me, you would think they would like to get it right this time. Look at what was said about this set that are now supposed to be coming to me."I have ordered your tuner lugs from london which we do not stock here. There is no inside hole, as the key fits the outside shape of the lug. Thus cant rust. "
"Can't rust" is pretty emphatic, so what do you now think?
I bet I know what you think, so let me guess. As PU does not show this sort of lug set on their site and they want this cycle of rusting/replacement/rusting/complaint/replacement to come to an end, they supply me with some other manufacturer's unidentifiable steel locking bolt set to finally put an end to the matter. 
As PU does not show this sort of lug set on their site and they want this cycle of rusting/replacement/rusting/complaint/replacement to come to an end, they supply me with some other manufacturer's unidentifiable steel locking bolt set to finally put an end to the matter.
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Hhahahah well best of luck with that one.....
It seems funny that their advertisement would say that their lugs have the absolute best quality in the world.....and yet, they have another company that they can order for you that will have better quality.....nothing like lying even more in your advertisements
I hope this all works out for you though
Also, there is no UK version website for them....their company is legally registered in LA. Their london connection is probably about as real as the artist's fame.
It seems funny that their advertisement would say that their lugs have the absolute best quality in the world.....and yet, they have another company that they can order for you that will have better quality.....nothing like lying even more in your advertisements
I hope this all works out for you though
Also, there is no UK version website for them....their company is legally registered in LA. Their london connection is probably about as real as the artist's fame.
Last edited by Rally@StanceDesign; Sep 2, 2007 at 02:52 PM.