Ah, I thought you had the black ones, not the chrome. But looking at their site, it appears that their "Uber Black" and "Graphite Black" finishes are anodized and not black-oxide coated anyway, so forget everything I've said so far.

"I was never here...these aren't the droids you're looking for...you're getting very very sleepy..."

 

What did I miss?

 

read f15eweapon's posts throughout this thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=110528

He bought their lugs....and they rusted. He called them and they sent him a new set. He thought the new set was doing well.....until he removed his wheels and examined the lugs. The new set was rusting. He also reports that the key is already having problems as well. Hopefully you get lucky and your new set isn't from another "bad batch" like his were.

 

Anyone have a rust problem with the black?

 

Rust Never Sleeps

 

I am asking about the black and rust because I am now on on second set of chrome and guess what?

 

they are the best thing since sliced bread?

 

You got 25 extra HP and your engine is cooler because the new lugs offer awesome Uber quality benefits?

 

blackie, you're a lot more patient than I ever could be. If I was on my second set of rusted lugs, I wouldn't be asking about the black ones -- I'd ask, how do I get my money back?

 

Just curious: How do you make a bad batch of chrome? Is it like home brewed beer or something?

 

Yah, it's not really something that happens....but lets humor them and pretend we believe their lies a little more

I also wonder how many bad batches there are compared to good ones....seems like i have heard of 4 different occurences of rusty lugs and havent heard of any non-rusty ones.

 

I think it's more like buying really bad mexican food.

 

Actually, I am normally very impatient, but I am playing this out to conclusion to see if it has a happy ending. This is the latest turn in the long, long winding road to tuner lug heaven.

"I have ordered your tuner lugs from london which we do not stock here. There is no inside hole, as the key fits the outside shape of the lug. Thus cant rust. The guys in europe use them during winter to prevent mud and salt getting in the tuner opening. I will of course exchange them for you at no charge and include your socket which fits on the end of your Uber wrench."

Now someone else voiced a compalint here against another vendor for not covering all the "issues" in their advertising that various after-market parts may have under different driving or use scenarios. Am I reading too much into this to come away with an understanding that if the user of a set of tuner lugs drives under conditions as described above that the tuners are not ideal? Mind you that I live in the Northeast, which has conditions in winter like the above, but my second set of tuners are rusting in Summer. Besides wouldn't just rain alone be a problem too? In any case, Whether the lugs do or do not ultimately work out, this vendor is trying to resolve the matter (as has the other vendor that was complained about, referred to above, in a different matter I am having). I agree though, at some point you just give up and want a refund. The bottom line though is we all wish things would just go right from the start. Is patience a virtue? :impatient

 

Crap is still crap even when wrapped with flowery prose.

Lets look at this from another angle. With pretty much any vendor on NAM you can pick up the phone and speak to the principle person, most likely the actual owner. At P.U. the namesake for all anyone can tell is fictional but is passed off as a real entity. At this point until someone can show me a real person that is really designing the alleged re-badged crap they foist off to hopefully an ever decreasing circle of the gullible I remain skeptical.

It's not as if they are not trying to fix your issue Blackie, but come on, is your BS Meter set that low. P.U. is a fraud, a marketing company with the temerity to foist low to midgrade rebadged products off as their own superior design.

 

I don't understand the quoted part of your message.....are they saying they are gonna get you a new set that doesnt rust?

after having two sets rust....i can't imagine trying to get a replacement set from the company....especially if they are rusting in the summer and you live up in the northeast.....those things are done for in the winter. Rust city. I'm not sure i see what you hope to accomplish....there are plenty of other places to get the same product with a better quality. I would be trying to get my money back and just ordering the better part. It's not like PU is the only place that can sell you lugs

 

#1 I'm not buying anything from someone I can't pick up the phone and speak to a real person about my purchase, if a problem arises...How does that old saying go..."Screw me once, shame on you". "Screw me twice shame on me". You'll have to figure out the third time...

 

hahah perfect....good call

 

To paraphrase something I seem to remember... "Screw me three times, you better have a ring."

 

I didnt know that PU copied this wheel from sportmaz too....that's hilarious. You can't possibly deny that these wheels are the same. This is the silver version.....but it comes in other colors as well.

PU autobahn wheels (supposedly)




The sportmax 962's


Now let's look at prices......i haven't even shopped around yet, but i found the 962's being sold for $150 a piece. Another place said that they were below 150 a piece, but you had to call them as they weren't allowed to publically advertise (very common with these cheap import wheels....many vendors get them at below MSRP prices and sell them below MSRP so they can't advertise the numbers). So let's say 130-150

PU is selling them for $1,295.00 Although the site also lists "975.00 set of four with Uber Mounting Kit".

the $975 (or 1,295) includes:
Metal hubcentric ring : $5
Tuner Lug Kit: $118 (this could be bought for 50 dollars maximum from summit racing, and we all know the quality issues with the lugs and tuner key)
PU sticker: 50 cents
PU Aluminum valve stems: $50 (i paid $15 to get 4 custom aluminum ones for my wheels)
With those prices above, they are charging a little over $200 per wheel (assuming the set is 975). If the set costs $1295 as it says on their website they are charging $280 per wheel.

If you didn't buy anything being mislabled by PU you could have this whole set for around $670 (that's a savings of nearly $300 or $600)and your lugs wouldn't rust and your tuner key wouldn't shatter when hand torqued.

All of this is not to mention that they are saying they gave you a major sale because the original price comes out to near $1500
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^ your analysis is flawed in that you only valued the PU sticker at 50 cents. . . enough said.

 

I don't even understand what "tuner" lugs DO. How are they better than plan old lugs (which you got with your wheels when you bought the car)? Do they make the exhaust buzz louder or glow with LEDs or something? It seems to me that if the only thing that makes them different is that they can't be removed unless you have a special key (which can be lost or, in PU's case, broken) then they're much more of a liability than anything.

I used to run locking lugs nuts on my old car (one per wheel to keep them from walking off) and it used an interior hole pattern and an adapter that fit inside my vanilla lug wrentch. Despite costing like $25 they never rusted even after like 7 years on the car... Another BS PU "claim" contradicted by simple fact. Or, if they did, they rusted INSIDE narrow slot hole and I never noticed... I guess PU is just that much more observant than the rest of us. :impatient

Tis seems like WAY too much time, effort and money for something that only seems to have one function: to keep you from removing your wheels when you want to. What am I missing here?

 

Yes, but the SportsMax ones don't come wiht PU's world class customer support.

 

I just came across this post and am amazed with the negativity towards PU.
Honestly, Lighten up people!

I must admit there are times I am unable to speak to Bryce or Geoffrey on the phone. They are busy people as well. This day and age I hardly get to all my calls in a given day.

Besides that though, I have spoken with them, I have had length conversations with them. And if you spend time talking with people about there products. They tend to appreciate that and will hook you up.

I have a few of there products, The scoop. Bought full price they introduced there NAM special and adjusted my price.
The new wing, I just got delivered yesterday, It looks SICK!!
I got that from them at a great price!!
And I have a set of tuner lugs coming from them next week, at a nice discount as well.

I'm looking into their rims, but as far as I know they manufacture their rims as well.
They might be the same style as the SportsMax, just better quality and your getting their support as well.
Talk to them and they have people at Lamborghini that will back their rims up 100%.[FONT=Arial][/FONT]

 

Did you post in the Pro-PU thread (linked in here)? They could use the help - I think they only have like 4 positive comments.

Looks "SICK"? I bet it does. :impatient

Next time actually READ the thread(s) before sporting off, mmmkay? There are more than a dozen PU threads explaining in nauseating detail what people's beef with the guy are - asking for info that's easily available EVERYWHWERE in the forum just adds to the flamage.

 

To answer your first question....yes i have a big beef with them. They have been proven to lie to their customers about parts and their company more times than i can count, their products are of sub-par quality (proven fact), they are ripping people off of their money is this friendly MINI community, and they have yet to give backup for their claims about performance.

I'm sorry....you actually believe that they manufacture their own parts? That's where you are wrong.

I call BS on all of it....i would love just the slightest proof that they manufacture the wheels. I would also like to see what kind of backup or tests the lambo guys did to "back their rims up". Have you seen proof of any of that stuff?

The Palos are the EXACT SAME RIMS as the sportmax's.....same poor quality, same wheels used by cheap hondas and scions all over the US. The palo wheels even have the sportmax engravings on them. Why would a lambo dealer back up honda wheels? I have asked PU many times to prove that they manufacture the wheels....and they have yet to give me any proof that they do. The facts are....the palo uber wheels have the exact same design as the sportmax wheels....not just similiar. They are the exact same design....look at the lug hole area on the two wheels. That's not a common design on wheels. They even have the same markings on the front and back of the rim in the same exact locations. I have had people take pictures of their PU wheels to compare to sprotmax wheels.....same markings. You think that the artist, Palo Uber, just accidently came up with the exact same design as sportmax? Explain why PU offers multiple wheels and every single wheel they sell looks just like a wheel sold on the market from companies like Axis, Sportmax, and PIAA. Those companies are big names in the wheel industry. The chance that PU just happened to make multiple designs that were already being sold by other companies is next to an impossible coincidence.

I do find it amusing that some people fall for it though.... Good luck with the tuner lugs you are getting next week...if you read this thread (which i dont think you did) you would know that there is a very good chance that you will witness rust in the coming months. Rust is not a good thing on lugs

One more added note....If you read my post above about the wheels....i would hope you would rethink the whole thing about you getting "hooked up". It's not considered a sale if they take the price, raise it $500 and then "hook you up" by giving you a $400 "sale"......you aren't getting hooked up in that situation. A hook up would be them giving you the wheels for $480 because that is slightly below the market price. When you get that kind of hook up from them....let me know. Otherwise....they are just jacking their prices and then giving out "NAM SPECIALS" to all NAM members (their entire customer base).