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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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This is why F1 should go back to Ground Effects

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37657/formula_1/
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 01:29 AM
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that looks fun... i should be an F1 driver
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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Great clip!
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:02 AM
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So what "ground effects" are they missing? Are you talking about the aero stuff underneath the car? I thought they could add aero stuff to the bottom, that's why Ferrari is always hiding the bottom of their car from the cameras.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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That was some seriously

balsy driving on both drivers part! Wonderful clip, and thanks for the link.....

Now that's RACING!

Matt
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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Awesome dicing! Tires were bigger too.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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Really nice find ! Thanks for sharing
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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I've seent hat before love watching that clip! Thanks for posting
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gromit801
But Gilles was magical. I remember him in Canada before he 'made it'. From local tracks around Montreal to a 6 hour race at Mosport, it was always exciting and wonderful to watch him race.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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So what "ground effects" are they missing? Are you talking about the aero stuff underneath the car? I thought they could add aero stuff to the bottom, that's why Ferrari is always hiding the bottom of their car from the cameras.
The F1 cars of that era had side skirts that actually rode on the track surface sealing out the air under the body and creating a vacuum effect which allowed the cars to do phenomenal cornering speeds. At low speed, you could actually hear the skirts scrapping the ground. Note the skirts below on Gilles Villeneuve's Ferrari...



They were eventually outlawed because in the event of a breakage at speed, the cars would lose all traction and control, usually resulting in a heavy shunt.

The late 70's camera work in that clip really enhances the speeds of the cars...excellent!
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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If they were outlawed for a good reason I'm fine w/ that....but man, that looks crazy cool!!!!
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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Mitch: Aside from the skirts, the cars had large wing shaped pods on either side to push the cars onto the track. Some of the cars didn't even need front wings. The current GP2 series has the same thing, but without the skirts. It allows for much less "dirty" air behind the car, and much closer racing. The current aero packages in F1 completely scramble the air behind a car, making the kind of racing in that clip impossible these days.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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If they were outlawed for a good reason I'm fine w/ that....but man, that looks crazy cool!!!!
There where a lot of reasons for the ban on the skirts, but the majority of the reason was that if the vacuum under the car was lost, the car went from being sucked to the track to very little grip in an instant.

Clipping the kerbs would break the vacuum, touching another cars' wheels would break the vacuum, running over a pebble or rubber fragment would break the vacuum.

Another issue was that the cars had virtually zero suspension travel making them incredibly brutal to drive and actually causing drivers to have vision issues due to the astonishing amount of vibration from the track.

Eventually the so-called sliding skirts where banned, this lead to extremely low ride-heights, which lead to mandated minimum ride heights, which lead to driver adjustable / computer controlled ride heights, which lead to......

You get the idea ?

The final solution was the 'plank' and the step in the cars, the plank rides lower than any other section of the car and is inspected at the end of the race to ensure that it was not dragging on the ground, and hence the ride-height was kept in check.
 
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