F55/F56 Oil change before 1,000mi
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Peace of mind is nice I agree but putting your faith in the On Board Computer will save you money and hassle. BMW has been using oil change indicator algorithms for years and the one in the mini is the most sophisticated to date. I really don't believe there is this conspiracy by the automaker to have our engines prematurely wear out. If that was true people who leased would use a more frequent oil change schedule.
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Break in oil? 8 track tapes anyone? Seriously, back on the R56 forums when my 2007 was still pretty new there were oil change threads up the wazoo. The most interesting were where people would actually send the used up oil in for analysis. What I got out of it was if you use good synthetic oil it was still plenty good after 7,500 miles. And I had a 1988 325i and it had an oil change indicator light in it back then.
Just do it 5000-7500 miles and you will be fine. Follow the DIY here. I have been doing this on my 2005 MCC and at little over 260K.
F56 and F55 Oil change.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...rocedures.html
F56 and F55 Oil change.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...rocedures.html
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The same science that has everyone here changing their oil out at 1000 or 1200 miles. I think he/she was being facetious with the 725 recommendation.
In a past life, I was a quality engineer at an automaker's powertrain facility. Occasionally, we would tear down a suspect engine right after the assembly and testing process. When draining the oil, it already had that sheen from the metal bits wearing in for the first time before the engine even made it to the chassis. Using the prevailing logic here, you guys better start changing the oil the day you take delivery. Anyway, the sheen is completely normal and will not cause any issues. Since I'd imagine that all of you get an oil filter as standard (though I shouldn't give BMW any ideas...), you can rely on the oil filter to prevent anything damaging from getting to your bearing surfaces. Don't waste your time and money on unnecessary oil changes.
In a past life, I was a quality engineer at an automaker's powertrain facility. Occasionally, we would tear down a suspect engine right after the assembly and testing process. When draining the oil, it already had that sheen from the metal bits wearing in for the first time before the engine even made it to the chassis. Using the prevailing logic here, you guys better start changing the oil the day you take delivery. Anyway, the sheen is completely normal and will not cause any issues. Since I'd imagine that all of you get an oil filter as standard (though I shouldn't give BMW any ideas...), you can rely on the oil filter to prevent anything damaging from getting to your bearing surfaces. Don't waste your time and money on unnecessary oil changes.
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The same science that has everyone here changing their oil out at 1000 or 1200 miles. I think he/she was being facetious with the 725 recommendation.
In a past life, I was a quality engineer at an automaker's powertrain facility. Occasionally, we would tear down a suspect engine right after the assembly and testing process. When draining the oil, it already had that sheen from the metal bits wearing in for the first time before the engine even made it to the chassis. Using the prevailing logic here, you guys better start changing the oil the day you take delivery. Anyway, the sheen is completely normal and will not cause any issues. Since I'd imagine that all of you get an oil filter as standard (though I shouldn't give BMW any ideas...), you can rely on the oil filter to prevent anything damaging from getting to your bearing surfaces. Don't waste your time and money on unnecessary oil changes.
In a past life, I was a quality engineer at an automaker's powertrain facility. Occasionally, we would tear down a suspect engine right after the assembly and testing process. When draining the oil, it already had that sheen from the metal bits wearing in for the first time before the engine even made it to the chassis. Using the prevailing logic here, you guys better start changing the oil the day you take delivery. Anyway, the sheen is completely normal and will not cause any issues. Since I'd imagine that all of you get an oil filter as standard (though I shouldn't give BMW any ideas...), you can rely on the oil filter to prevent anything damaging from getting to your bearing surfaces. Don't waste your time and money on unnecessary oil changes.
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It's cheap piece of mind insurance to change it early. As for the industry, it is not in the best financial interest to have cars lasting forever. Surely they don't want them crapping out in two years, but they need you to be buying something new sooner rather than later. Why not filter out the minute metal particles if they exist.
Of course I don't question the honesty of VW or any of the other automakers with faulty ignition switches, exploding airbags or exploding gas tanks.
Old and jaded is me.
Of course I don't question the honesty of VW or any of the other automakers with faulty ignition switches, exploding airbags or exploding gas tanks.
Old and jaded is me.
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It's cheap piece of mind insurance to change it early. As for the industry, it is not in the best financial interest to have cars lasting forever. Surely they don't want them crapping out in two years, but they need you to be buying something new sooner rather than later. Why not filter out the minute metal particles if they exist.
Of course I don't question the honesty of VW or any of the other automakers with faulty ignition switches, exploding airbags or exploding gas tanks.
Old and jaded is me.
Of course I don't question the honesty of VW or any of the other automakers with faulty ignition switches, exploding airbags or exploding gas tanks.
Old and jaded is me.
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It's cheap piece of mind insurance to change it early. As for the industry, it is not in the best financial interest to have cars lasting forever. Surely they don't want them crapping out in two years, but they need you to be buying something new sooner rather than later. Why not filter out the minute metal particles if they exist.
Old and jaded is me.
Old and jaded is me.
IF they did like you say, the value of the used car would be zero. Nobody would buy them, and in turn new car sales would tank. Why buy a car if you arent going to be able to sell it later to get a newer model?
I have no comment on your other comment.
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Assume that most executives in the auto industry went to business school. They learn lots of concepts. I didn't invent these theories of planned obsolescence, Here's one quoted from Wikipedia:
Contrived durability
Contrived durability is a strategy of shortening the product lifetime before it is released onto the market, by designing it to deteriorate quickly.[3] The design of all consumer products includes an expected average lifetime permeating all stages of development. Thus, it must be decided early in the design of a complex product how long it is designed to last so that each component can be made to those specifications. Since all matter is subject to entropy, it is impossible for any designed object to retain its full function forever; all products will ultimately break down, no matter what steps are taken. While it is known that products are optimized to match their required lifespan, such designs are often chosen for cost or weight saving reasons. Limited lifespan is only a sign of planned obsolescence if the lifespan of the product is rendered artificially short by design.
The strategy of contrived durability is generally not prohibited by law, and manufacturers are free to set the durability level of their products.[3]
A possible method of limiting a product's durability is to use inferior materials in critical areas, or suboptimal component layouts which cause excessive wear. Using soft metal in screws and cheap plastic instead of metal in stress-bearing components will increase the speed at which a product will become inoperable through normal usage and render it prone to breakage from even minor forms of abnormal usage. For example, small, brittle plastic gears in toys are extremely prone to damage if the toy is played with roughly, which can easily destroy key functions of the toy and force the purchase of a replacement.
Contrived durability
Contrived durability is a strategy of shortening the product lifetime before it is released onto the market, by designing it to deteriorate quickly.[3] The design of all consumer products includes an expected average lifetime permeating all stages of development. Thus, it must be decided early in the design of a complex product how long it is designed to last so that each component can be made to those specifications. Since all matter is subject to entropy, it is impossible for any designed object to retain its full function forever; all products will ultimately break down, no matter what steps are taken. While it is known that products are optimized to match their required lifespan, such designs are often chosen for cost or weight saving reasons. Limited lifespan is only a sign of planned obsolescence if the lifespan of the product is rendered artificially short by design.
The strategy of contrived durability is generally not prohibited by law, and manufacturers are free to set the durability level of their products.[3]
A possible method of limiting a product's durability is to use inferior materials in critical areas, or suboptimal component layouts which cause excessive wear. Using soft metal in screws and cheap plastic instead of metal in stress-bearing components will increase the speed at which a product will become inoperable through normal usage and render it prone to breakage from even minor forms of abnormal usage. For example, small, brittle plastic gears in toys are extremely prone to damage if the toy is played with roughly, which can easily destroy key functions of the toy and force the purchase of a replacement.
Assume that most executives in the auto industry went to business school. They learn lots of concepts. I didn't invent these theories of planned obsolescence, Here's one quoted from Wikipedia: Contrived durability Contrived durability is a strategy of shortening the product lifetime before it is released onto the market, by designing it to deteriorate quickly.[3] The design of all consumer products includes an expected average lifetime permeating all stages of development. Thus, it must be decided early in the design of a complex product how long it is designed to last so that each component can be made to those specifications. Since all matter is subject to entropy, it is impossible for any designed object to retain its full function forever; all products will ultimately break down, no matter what steps are taken. While it is known that products are optimized to match their required lifespan, such designs are often chosen for cost or weight saving reasons. Limited lifespan is only a sign of planned obsolescence if the lifespan of the product is rendered artificially short by design. The strategy of contrived durability is generally not prohibited by law, and manufacturers are free to set the durability level of their products.[3] A possible method of limiting a product's durability is to use inferior materials in critical areas, or suboptimal component layouts which cause excessive wear. Using soft metal in screws and cheap plastic instead of metal in stress-bearing components will increase the speed at which a product will become inoperable through normal usage and render it prone to breakage from even minor forms of abnormal usage. For example, small, brittle plastic gears in toys are extremely prone to damage if the toy is played with roughly, which can easily destroy key functions of the toy and force the purchase of a replacement.
Do you also do experiments to prove that jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams?
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You are a natural born charmer. Some adults were having a discussion, why get involved when you've nothing to add into the conversation except a childish attempt to insult someone whom you don't know.
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Things are engineered to fall apart sadly. I remember listening to an interview with a chemist on NPR and he was proud of his work in being able to engineer plastics to fall apart after a certain number of years.
But again I don't think automotive companies want the public to think their engines fall apart at all. Other things are acceptable.
But again I don't think automotive companies want the public to think their engines fall apart at all. Other things are acceptable.
Adults don't use Wikipedia to support the veracity of their claims. And yet you assume I'm a child even though you don't know me, but simply because you don't like my critique of the how you provided a "factual" basis for your argument and find my ad hominem criticism unwarranted. And douche, you were not having a private "conversation" or even the semblance of one, you were posting on a car forum for all to see. Congrats, we all know you're a pseudo intellectual now that would rather have the piece of mind to get his oil checked before 1000 miles or whatnot.
Why not just let this thread die a well deserved death? I realize there are at least two schools of thought and several generations of gear heads involved in this oft occurring discussion. There are those of us that have been doing something simple like an oil change, a certain way for decades with positive results and see no need to change now. And, there are those that trust in the algorithms of the car manufacturers and oil analysis. It is doubtful if either side is going to change the others position or practices. So just agree that people like me will continue to change oil in a new engine at ~1K miles and then every 5-7.5K after that and the folks from the other school of thought will do it their way. The latter can smile and think of all the oil/money they're not wasting and take their savings to the bank while the rest of us will have our peace of mind.
Is that so hard to understand? Just let it go.
Is that so hard to understand? Just let it go.
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I had my first oil changed on 3/9/2016 4800 miles on the ticker. Tech drained the oil thru a paper mesh filter to check for the dreaded metals. Looked good. I was there to see both the oil and filter. Time for tuning. Good luck everyone with oil change #1
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