Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain Help: thoughts and opinions on M7 vs Alta SC pulley

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 04-03-2007, 06:56 PM
DobsOnly's Avatar
DobsOnly
DobsOnly is offline
Neutral
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: North East Florida
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Help: thoughts and opinions on M7 vs Alta SC pulley

Hoping some of you can provide some thoughts on these SC Pulleys.

I have an 2003 S and would like to install a pulley or have one installed next week. This is a daily driver 30 miles one way with 1/2 freeway and 1/2 city. While I would like to get it on the track some time I doubt that will ever happen.

I'm thinking 15% - 17% Alta v2 but the M7 at 16% looks like it might be the ticket for protecting the supercharger and waterpump and still getting a nice bump in power at lower rpm. A search provided a ton of hits but very few related to the M7 pulley's. Any thoughts or opinions positive and negative would be appreciated.

Thanks for your help!
DobsOnly
 
  #2  
Old 04-03-2007, 07:43 PM
littlecS's Avatar
littlecS
littlecS is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: south orange county, ca
Posts: 180
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Alta alll the way!

I'm ordering mine next week, and installing it next weekend! I'm kind of in the same boat as you. Same year, same driving conditions, but I do take mine to the track. I was a little skeptical at first, but once i got into it, it was all over! I say go with the 15%

 
  #3  
Old 04-03-2007, 09:55 PM
n1ftyneil's Avatar
n1ftyneil
n1ftyneil is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I love the M7! a lil extra power, no ill effects
 
  #4  
Old 04-04-2007, 06:53 AM
RedSkunk's Avatar
RedSkunk
RedSkunk is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: MINIapolis
Posts: 1,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here is my question. I'm undecided between 15% and 16%. I know there's very little difference between the two, but which is the most efficient? I know Webb says 15%, and most agree, but is that just the result of only one 16% option out there (and therefor not usually tested for effic.)? On an efficiency curve where would the two be placed? 16% just a tiiiiiny bit off of the peak?

(I feel like throwing in some more percentage signs... %%%%)
 
  #5  
Old 04-04-2007, 10:54 AM
jaynicholson's Avatar
jaynicholson
jaynicholson is offline
5th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Supercharger efficiency is only an issue when running near the top of the RPM range. If you read Randy Webb's comments on this, he explains that the efficiency of the super charger reduces only when it (the supercharger) exceeds a certain RPM. His comments agree with the manufacturer specs. If you're driving on a track, you spend a lot of time in this less efficient RPM range. If you're driving on the street, this shouldn't be much of an issue (unless of course you're driving like you're on a track, in which case it's time to give your head a shake!!!).
 
  #6  
Old 04-04-2007, 11:14 AM
RedSkunk's Avatar
RedSkunk
RedSkunk is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: MINIapolis
Posts: 1,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Understood. And I guess asking for the difference between the two is asinine, given the slim difference.
 
  #7  
Old 04-04-2007, 11:44 AM
vdubdoug's Avatar
vdubdoug
vdubdoug is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Centerville, Ohio
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I had a 17% on my 02 S and I clocked 1500 miles a week between highway, City, back roads and the Drag strip on Friday nights. I would also autocross it occasionaly.

Why not go with the guy's who pullied Mini's first HELIX
 
  #8  
Old 04-04-2007, 05:59 PM
DobsOnly's Avatar
DobsOnly
DobsOnly is offline
Neutral
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: North East Florida
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the comments here and all that have been posted in past threads!

Being a little conservative and limited as far as disposable income. I opted to just go with the Alta 15% pulley but also ordered the Alta CAI. My decision was based on pricing more so than any discussion or thoughts on a particular brand of pulley or reduction size. I'm figuring that will kick the fun factor up and keep the engine and drive train in a configuration to allow a lot of miles to pile up before a failure.

What I learned was everyone is right

There are a ton of people that say the 15% pulley is best bang for the buck and stays within the tolerance limits of the other components.

Many swear by 17% but it seems it can put you on the edge of the envelope and requires a little closer attention to belt wear etc.

A few less, but still a devoted bunch love their 19% pulley and insist that driving style will determine the impact it has on the systems of the car but there seems to be no question on the potential to cause a problem being very real if the car is improperly run.

As far as one maker verses the other? Well, I've seen very little that would indicate other than marketing there is much difference in performance between manufacturers. Each makes good points on what makes their design better than the competition.

The M7 16% seemed very attractive to me for my application. Had it not been for the difference in price and the availability and pricing of the Cold Air Box at the merchants that carried it I certainly would have had one. The $40 or $50 I saved going the route I did made the difference.

Disclaimer: Take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm not a mechanic, engineer or much of a driver. I’m just another Mini owner having fun.


Thanks again!
DobsOnly
 
  #9  
Old 04-04-2007, 08:06 PM
ScottRiqui's Avatar
ScottRiqui
ScottRiqui is offline
OVERDRIVE
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 7,200
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Originally Posted by RedSkunk
Understood. And I guess asking for the difference between the two is asinine, given the slim difference.
One difference between a 15% pulley and a 16% pulley is that the 16% should really be used with a shorter serpentine belt, whereas a 15% pulley can re-use the stock belt if there aren't many miles on it.
 
  #10  
Old 04-04-2007, 08:27 PM
DobsOnly's Avatar
DobsOnly
DobsOnly is offline
Neutral
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: North East Florida
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by riquiscott
One difference between a 15% pulley and a 16% pulley is that the 16% should really be used with a shorter serpentine belt, whereas a 15% pulley can re-use the stock belt if there aren't many miles on it.
Yep, I have 44000 on mine so it will definately get a new belt with the install.

DobsOnly
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Teh
Drivetrain (Cooper S)
23
08-22-2022 04:37 AM
Alkaidovich
Interior/Exterior
68
01-30-2021 01:35 AM
AWOL
MINI Parts for Sale
4
03-28-2016 10:51 AM
tr3y003
1st Gear
11
10-22-2015 10:48 AM
stierzy34
MINI Parts for Sale
15
09-15-2015 04:40 PM



Quick Reply: Drivetrain Help: thoughts and opinions on M7 vs Alta SC pulley



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:28 PM.