So let me get this straight... and i am just asking this so I UNDERSTAND what you are doing not assuming...

You are planing to get 200whp but @8150rpm? Hopefully you will achieve 200whp that prior to 8150rpm like closer to 7k rpm. you should be able to get that because its been done before... several times...but with other cylinder heads... so good luck on breaking wayyyy past the 200whp mark

Also, this thread has been talking about driveability... many people do not think that reving to 8000 rpm is to driveable... I used to own a car that reved to 8500 rpm and i loved it(which is all that matters is that you love YOUR car)... people who drove my car thought that you had to wait to long to for the power to come on and that the power band was "peaky."

Now, im not the biggest fan of the twin charge... but it does work... ive driven one and i must say it is quite nice. They are TORQUEY! Something the MINI lacks severly! These cars will put a smile on your face just like when you drove your car with a pulley for the first time...

Also, your tune is everything! I would never except a preprogramed fuel controller (apex) as my final tune. I would use that as a baseline and as soon as i could get over to a dyno (mustang or dyno jet, your choice ) tune the car on the dyno with an a/f. Every car is different, at different altitudes, differnt wear on the engine etc... Tune the car on a dyno, use supplied pre-set fuel controllers as a baseline and starting point and to get your car to the dyno... NOT a month after driving it... but right after you finish putting the car together! Every car is this way not just the MINI! You must tune your car on a dyno! You CANNOT have someone else "tune" the car for you from their shop and send it to you preset and accept it as gospel. YOU MUST TUNE YOUR CAR ON A DYNO!!!!!!! I wish i could say it better or clearer... maybe this will help... their are guys in the honda world that make a GREAT living FLYING into the customers city to TUNE their customers car! And these are with programs were you could actually tune the car and send e-mails back and forth! BUT THEY KNOW that its BETTER to have them their in person tuning the car!

Me, my personal opinon, I love the car with the supercharger and a cylinder head... damn good torque (not as much as a tc but a great improvement over stock) great reliability... and best of all 13.2 second time slips all from a very stock looking car! THANKS FOR LOOKING OUT PAUL WEBSTER!!! IM starting to feel the love from the drag racing forum!

 

I cannot belive you just said "AS IT CAME FROM HUBIE" The turbo has NO SETTING from the factory (GARRET) and HUBIE CAN NOT SET the boost of a turbo unless it is MOUNTED...so...again..it was installer error....

I can not stand when people try to blame tools...turbos don't just boost...they have to be set...and if you didn't know how to set it...you shouldnt' have been doing it...

So, Maximus...did a QUALIFIED Tech/Tuner do your install??

 

"...a preprogramed fuel controller (apex)..."
the Apex'i is a user programmable A/F tuning piggyback requiring A/F readout while the car is under load for proper tuning. Actually, the dyno will get you close, but it is not the same as road conditions where airflow can play a significant role. Your car will probably lean out even more on the road compared to the dyno, as the intake air and intercooling will be...cooler.

more cowbell for Tuls

 

and well......GIMME MORE COWBELL!!

 

JLM... i guess i could have explained myself better... but... i have tuned many apex'i fuel controllers and understand how they function. My point is if someone presets the fuel settings on the afc for you... just use that to get you the dyno as soon as you button up your car... do not drive it for a MONTH or a week or whatever on that tune... the safest thing you can do is get the car to the dyno and tune the car on the dyno with an A/F which is what i said in my previous post but... perhaps what i wrote was a little hard to understand...

and yes your car will perform slightly differnt on the road because you will have more air going across the intercooler allowing for COOLER DENSER air which is what we all want... but i understand your point. BUT the very last thing we should do is promote tuning on the road... that is highly dangerous as far as personal safety, can promote illegal speeds (not that i have any room to talk) but i don't think many MINI owners have their own wide band AF sensor in their car (like an FJO or AEM etc..) and without data logging tunning on the road is very very difficult. You have to concentrate on the road and not the car... you have to watch were you are going... and not the gauges... thats one of the MAIN reasons why everyone goes to the dyno

 

[quote=Tuls]I can not stand when people try to blame tools[quote]

I always blame tuls!

So, there!

 

I always blame tuls!

So, there!

 

I'm talking about 200 whp on a Mustang Dyno [25-30 or whatever whp more conservative than a DynoJet, right Tuls?]. THAT has not been done yet, to my knowledge, with an SCed car. And yes, at 8150 rpm or earlier, whenever the car decides .

And, yes, my car is being tuned in person, and yeah, A/F ratios from a dyno will be used to gauge the wiggle room. It's gonna be a grand !

 

Tuls, you're so needy!

 

Well, i hope so! Can't wait to see the results! BEST of luck to you!

if you are unhappy with your dyno results you can always put it to the ultimate test... DRAG RACE the thing and let us know what ya run... thats a pretty good comparison

 

I am been specifically prohibited from doing so by the 'rents [even though they don't mind me tracking, go figure!], but if you won't tell I'm planning some runs. I'll let ya know when they happen. But, I'll tell you now, I don't flat shift, so I'm not expecting to break any records. I could prolly gain .3-.5 seconds doing it, but I didn't get my MINI to drag race it... . Before my crank pulley and software [running pig rich with my 400's], I was going high 14s on a G Tech without having launched more than like 5 times ever and without flat shifting. Oh, and my car is full weight++ [all packages xc navi, with seats, etc]. So, I'm hopeful. Thanks, though!

PS: I am not expecting to dethrone your rightly owned title and car, just yet...heh... Just to keep ya on your heels.... . Truly, I don't have an aftermarket header [yet...I have some special plans ], so I shouldn't be posting your kinda numbers yet.

 

Actuallly, you're wrong, turbo's with internal wastegates do come with a preset boost.. I mean come on.. and yes, i had it installed more than twice by a qualified tech/tuner.. specifically a guy who works for Garret sop.. there, you have it.

 

I have been watching this thread for awhile now and it has been quite entertaining. I , like you , also wonder where these 30 cars are? As far as I have been able to see here on NAM there are ,

1/ El rebuilt at least 2 times
2/ Maximusmini rebuilt one time
3/A silver one locally rebuilt twice
4/ Tuls
5/ Hubie
6/ One on the east coast somewhere

Now I am not saying there aren't others but I doubt ther are 24 others installed that do not have access to NAM

 

Tuls isn't twin charged. He's pure bred SC, so he needs cowbell .

On another note, I looked back at Tuls's post and he said that DynoJet dynos were "15-30% higher," so am I correct in thinking that a 200whp car [according to a Mustang], is like 230-260 whp on a DynoJet?

I doubt that, if that is the case, I will be hitting 200 whp, but then again it would sure be cool...heh.. Does anyone know if this correction is accepted/proven? I wanna have some idea of what the meaning of my numbers will be... anyone got links that discuss this in depth?

 

if you read my above post... you just reitereated what i said in my last post... (im sure unintentionally, because now theis is 7 pages of posts its hard to remember everything you read by the time you hit submit reply) Im going to try to find out the difference but im pretty sure that their isn't a 30% difference (now im doing the assuming dang it!) but i would find it hard to believe that a company would be 30% off in measuring horsepower. 30% on a 300hp car is 90 hp! on a 600hp car its 180! thats pretty significant! Yes, before you guys jump on my back i understand the differnce between load bearing dynos (which are great to tune with) vs. inertia dynos. but still 30% is HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know of two maybe three more...

one of which i know doesn't frequent the NAM circuit the other does frequent NAM I will let them come forward if they choose... the third... im not quite sure... don't know the person that well just heard through the grape vine that they have it(no not the news papers that bums sell on the freeway on and off ramps...)

 

Sigh...ok...after this I am done...I am sooooo done...if people don't wanna tell the truth...and skew it so thier egos feel better...fine...I am gunnah just Join Miss Nebraska in the off topic section so I don't have to read blatent lies anymore

No way!! Zak!! You and Ryan (reyphille) sp? work or worked for Garret!! that's so kewl...I have no Idea?

...do you really think every mini owner frequents the Church of NAM...LOL....dood there are 21000 some members...January of 05 there was some 600,000 minis sold in the US alone...hmmn...

 

Uhmm sorry no.

http://www.gbmini.net/sales.shtml

as of Nov, 05, ~66K MCS for ALL years in US.

Not even close

 

Tuls, have you got a source on quantitative comparisons between Mustang and DynoJet numbers? Thanks!

 

i dont have any quantitative results but i have googled it ha ha


seriously i googled dyno jet vs mustang dyno these are what i have read

http://www.slugbitchracing.com/4sale.htm
pretty good... to sum it up... findings were roughly 10% difference

http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26743
longer... not so much meat and potatoes...
http://horsepowered.com/forums/printthread.php?t=10431
this one is a good one too...

well so far it seems like we have a 10-15% difference... just what i have found so far

 

Actually, I had my engine rebuilt by www.w2wpowertrain.com and the guy that works for garrett was there everyday to ensue everything was great and tidy. everytime the turbo dismounted itself, he was there to repair it. If i had the garage space and tools and time, then yeah, I would have done it. After the third time dismounting, I said screw it, and take it to a pro to fix. I used common sense, and aparently, you have YET to read my FULL thread about how everything happened. NO LIES HERE.. just all truths.

 

interesting. some guys here would preferr the lower number, but, how do you know for sure its correct? maybe the best way to dyno our cars is to use a engine dyno. that way you know forsure..

 

This is not directed towards Maximus, this is directed towards the kid that apparantly knows nothing about twincharging a vehicle.

Apparantly you don't know Wheel to Wheel. Not to mention that after the install, after the piston dying out on him, etc.. He went to a place that does nothing but *charging engines. Tell me a place thats as reknowned as Wheel to Wheel in the turbocharging department on the east coast.

I can't go on with the rampant ignorance applied by the people that are on these kind of sites.

Internal Wastegates are preset to pounds of pressure. When he said this, you stopped talking about his car, and started bashing him. Whats wrong with this picture? You know your wrong so your going to slight the person? Get a life, kid.

 

I wasn't talking about the REBUILD ZAK....the firsttime...WHEN IT BLEW UP...but whatever...you have fun now ya here

 

I dunno if you are directing this at me...but ummm..let's see...there's no bashing...only that things are being skewed and I want people to know what really happen...he stated that hubie set the boost...that in it's self is ignorant...I understand better than anyone how the internal was gate works sweety...but there is still a PRELOAD...which you can adjust your self and have it not been over tightend then he wouldn't have spiked 26 lbs of boost breaking a piston...so take your own advice and find out what you are talking about...oh and get a life kid...LOL


ok so you guys win...let the ignorance spred...YOU are RIGHT the TC kit breaks minis!! I admit it...it's all Hubie's fault...damn him!!! he was 2500 miles a ways but he MADE it happen...WOO HOO!