Its not me, its Wagnbats thread. It seems that 174 is a bit high for basically a stock car???

 

Thanks for telling me what Tuls likes and doesn't like. But I called him last night and asked him if it would be ok.

 

You went and spoke on his behalf before asking him, left out the other mods on his car, and used it all to give yourself credibility, and you expect him to complain directly to you and get dragged even more into this fray? If someone was speaking for you, and all was already spoken, and they didn't want to be further bothered, would you rather choose the path of least resistance or most? Again, it's not polite, and I know I would be a bit miffed. Maybe I wouldn't say anything over the phone. Call me crazy.

 

well... i mentioned tuls name a couple of times too... but i guess the difference is is that i have known tulls for close to 6 years... i also sold him his car... provided him with a pulley... one day when i locked myself out of my house and left my car keys in my house and couldn't get to work i called TULs and he was kind of enough to give me a lift to work... thats what friends do for each other

And again, i think their is some confusion (and this is me assuming that their is confussion, which is something that I probably shouldn't do) but when TULs dynoed his car the first time... he didn't have a single mod on his car! It has been posted about several times that his car is very strong. Anyone who has gone for a ride in his car or has raced him has seen the car in action... the car is very very quick.

For clarification motorsports 3 car was an 05 it dyno'd without software when we dynoed he made the 186hp or whatever it was posted earlier in this thread) Im just stating this for factual reasons to make sure everyone is on the same page.

Im going to ask you not to coment on uncertaintys, especially regarding peoples relationships with one another. This is not what this thread was supposed to be about

Now to get back on topic...

From what I have seen in order to achieve more than 200whp (without nitrous or a turbo) you need to add a performance cylinder head. You can achieve close to 200whp without the cylinder head (probably close to or around the 190hp mark)

about the a/f... again... as long as we are talking about the dyno before the cylinder head the 186 or 188hphp dyno... that car had absolutley no software installed! perhaps the 05 ecus are better at adapting... i really don't know what to tell you... we have nothing to gain by telling you that their was or wasn't any software installed. Actually, come to think of it... We only have money to lose! We could say that their was software installed and you should buy it from us and really not do anything and just put the money in our pocket... but that would be lying... and i will not lie to my customers. we have NOTHING to gain by telling people that their wasn't any software on the car... we haven't claimed that the car would have made more power with software etc...

again... thanks for reading my long winded posts

 

I agree without nitous or turbo (wnt) or a head, you can't get there and with a head there is no guarantee. Something that Eric savage said a long time ago that I thought was a bunch of bs, he had never dynod a "wnt" car with 200 whp and did not think it could be done on his dyno. This has proven to be a very accurate statement. Someone told methat the euro Minis don't have the emissions concerns and that they use better gas and that explains some of their high dynos

 

I will agree with you that their is no gaurntee that the car will make 200 whp with a cylinder head... It depends on which cylinder head you have! All ported and polished cylinderheads are not created equally! for example look at the jcw head (it sucks... we all know that) and then look at some of the other cylinder heads made by people that are out their.

We (motorsports3) car made well over 200whp with our 15% pulley, cylinder head, mania intake and b&B exhaust and obx header... The car ran a 13.2 in the quarter on street tires!!!!!!!!!!!!! 200whp is possible, and can be achieved reliably! The car is/was a blast! I wish he had never sold that car! that car could take one hell of a beating! I mean we wound that thing out to 7300rpm a billion times (okay a little bit of exageration their) but we definetly drove the car hard... it made like 100 drag strips passes and the clutch and the rest of the car never missed a beat! It was still driving as if we had babied it! And yes the current owner is completly aware of how the car has been driven... he was actually happy to hear it! Being an old race car driver im sure the car hasn't seen its last track day

 

I totally agree...my car does over 200whp...so I know it can be done....not sure on Helix's dyno, I was not challenging you...you would know it if I was.

other than throwing a belt (19% with WMS exhaust) with a date in the car 75 mi from home in the N GA mountains my car has never failed me

 

You'll have to wait until the end of the month if you can stand it !

 

here you go..

stage1... 2005 cooper S.. mth software/header combo, alta intake"stock tube", miltek exhaust, 2%crank pulley, 15%reduction pulley, kingsborn wires, ik22 plugs, and motivation... (btw, 91 octane for fuel)

200whp total doable..

 

If you have never dynoed your car, why are you claiming that you have 200 whp?

 

Check it again. He was saying that the M7/Cosworth kit was 8k dollars. I said, "no, I got mine for 5000 including exhaust" <-roughly so. Period. The Cosworth car has no more mods- no header, no nitrous, only alkie injection to bring octane to 93. As I said, be patient young paduon [sp?].

 

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Yes, I said that before. And, I explained why....before . You gave me crap because I assumed based on my feel and two separate dynos done on the original car. So, I didn't mention it again, to avoid having to deal with you. You proved decidedly no fun and a spoil sport. Sorry.

PS: I'll make all the claims I want when my car gets dynoed. You will then, I hope, give me the respects that I deserved all along.

 

So, an even easier way to get 200whp (easier than finding a "friendly" dyno) is simply to fabricate a number out of thin air.

 

Look at it this way: either you are questioning the validity of those two separate dynos or, assuming you don't, you must allow the possibility that an identically powered car broke the landmark.

Even still, I'm playing your silly game. I didn't make the claim. Sit down, be quiet, play well with the other kids, and wait like a good boy.

 

you two need a time out. GOOD GOD! Andy don't you have work to do! Where is BIM COM? GO GO.

You guys are like little babies. All I wanted to do was find out if it was possible to get 200whp... Apparently in stage 1 it is by the above dyno graph so grasfully posted.

 

$8000 ?? This is big news to me . It is probably even bigger news to the owner of the car not to mention his wife LOL . Would you care to list those additional mods of which you are apparently the only one that knows anything about?

Randy
m7 Tuning

 

..I'm impressed with the torque number but not the A/F graph........great power congrats....I am concerned with the A/F graph though.......can you explain why it is so irratic (sp?)

 

very very strong car! Hope you don't get flamed into an oblivan... seriously good work! A/F is a little funny... but you did just eek past the number!

 

it has been tough getting my car leaned out.. if you look at my earlier dynos they are all extremley rich.. been trying to get mth dial out the richness for extra power.. that particular dyno is there lastest wack at leaning out my a/f mixtures.. in a perfect a/f mix, i wouldnt gain anymore peak power.. however, the mid range could look fatter if were dialed in more..

i'm satisfied.. 200whp for less than $3000.. cant beat that..
my local stealer wanted $6800 for the JCW works kit.. thats only 180hp at the wheels..

 

i know some people on here will just say it was the dyno.. well, i friend of mine with a 300c srt8 was dynoed the sameday.. its supose to have 425hp at the crank.. it only got 368hp on his graph for a baseline.... thats roughly %15 drive train loss...

who knows...

i'm happy with choosing my list of mods...

 

368 at the wheels is right where it sould be. Actually, that's quite strong for an automatic tranny on a dynojet. That would be upwards of 460 at the crank!

 

maybe it's because it's all I have but 200 whp is a pretty nice Mini......quick, reponsive,.....fun to drive........ (I do wish I could improve my torque number...hint) I think you did a nice job....congrats

 

BM: that leaning out trend of all the A/F curves above 6k is what led me to larger injectors, suitably tuned back lean at lower rpm's. 12.5 is a good number to shoot for

 

jlm, is 12.5 safe with the level of advance that we typically see around 6k? I guess I would presume so since 14.7 [right?] is Stoichiometric, but I don't know, so I'm asking you.... Do you happen to know what spark advance you're using up there [w/ 12.5 A/F, if that makes any sense to you...:impatient]? Thanks!