Not to ask the timeless question, but what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

How do you know what's good/bad for your car before you test it?

 

That's sort of like: Do you announce that you have 200 whp before you do any testing to back that up? Or do you announce that your intake outflows all others on the market (by a margin!) before you do any testing to back that up?

Seriously, just like checking the temp of the water before getting in the shower, with a turbo install, you take baby steps and carefully check the boost levels. If they go too high, you immediately back off, then do adjustments, then re-test.

 

Touche Andy!

 

And, how do you know that it's too high, in our engines? not to mention [such idiosyncracies and paradoxes!], how do you know something is reliable [how long do you have to run it?]

 

I love this thread

 

After reading this thread, one thing has become blatantly obvious: Arizona cars make more power!! Sucks for the rest of you.

 

Because thanks to Guys Like Hubie and Jan (El Diablito) they were good enough to blow up thier motors to find out.... so we already know what our pistons can handle...just like the bottom end of our motors is super strong so far...taking up to 550 at the crank...

It's like if I say..." your motor will break under 26 lbs of boost with stock pistons...we have tested it time and again..." is that somthing your willing to try proving me wrong about...espeically if I am the guy who made the kit...tested the kit...proved the kit before releasing...

Maybe the problem is...like Andy said...
" do you announce that your intake outflows all others on the market (by a margin!) before you do any testing to back that up? [IMG]images/smilies/lol.gif[/IMG]"

some people do...and then have then point the finger at those who have been doing the testing and proving of products...when Users and Installers screw up...

SIGH

As for how long is reliable...I dunno...but 12 trips back and forth accross the US and countless trips to cali from AZ otta prove good for reliable...if you wanna try that

 

and they don't break as often

 

exactly. BUT, they did that to individual engines. My point to Andy is that, sadly, at some point, you can't say anything specific until it's gone and done. He has not responded for a reason. Chill Tuls .

 

because you're a troll that likes to argue for the sake of argument?

 

oh I am chill mang....just checkin...you know..it's not you specifically...just the whoooole mountain of BS that surrounds this stuff...LOL....maybe some day it will get washed away...that would be nice

 

you're in the desert- watch what you wish for!

 

I live in the higher part of the valley..so when Cali falls off the planet...I should have water from property when the valley floods

 

Thank you....very very nice......now......back to the topic

 

Yep, again, one needs to do testing and show results before they have any credibility with regards to MINI performance mods. I gave examples above about posters making wild claims without showing any data to back them up. I'm glad we're on the same page.

 

Do a search for "P&D"

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ms/search.php?

 

Wow... Peter... because i didn't respond fast enough you decided to take it as an insult... i apologize I have been traveling and couldn't post on NAM...

As far as trying postioning myself as a manufacturer/invoator... their is no trying... I make performance parts for MINI's that work.

The whole POINT of my post was in reference to somebody basically stating that TULs has a financial gain if this thread goes the wrong way... i was just trying to say that M7 does as well. I didn't mean for you to come unglued! This thread was originally about 200whp... people were talking about cylinder heads, one of your customers/friends, made a comment that led us to believe that he was putting down 200hp to the ground... when asked for proof it couldn't be reproduced. In his deffense he did say that he is going down to the dyno near the end of the month. But... back to my point... the M7/cosworth(?) cylinder head as far as I know, has yet to produce 200whp. So when everyone was shooting down the twin charged kit and someone was trying to explain why some users of the product have had issues (that they have possibly created themselves) he was pointed at as having a financial investment and that was the only reason why he was posting. I just wanted to say that SPI (makers of the twin charge) aren't the only ones who have something riding no these posts/boards. I just wanted to point out that M7 also had a financial interest in this thread as well... thats all nothing more nothing less. I didn't mean for you to take it as an insult... just stating a fact.

as far as paying for advertising and that kind of stuff on NAM... I will... shortly too! I have had talks with the "management" i have recieved my pricing structure... and when i am ready... I will purchase my advertising.
Thanks for looking out!

 

Just curious... what engine management are you deciding to go with?

Also, im glad that you have read elsewhere as well as here that you will blow your motor if your car is improperly tuned. Just about any engine with an improper tune will suffer damage due to improper tuning. The TUNE is everything... The most important thing for making power is your tune. You can spend 30K dollars or pounds sterling (thats for you Sir. Webster )

on a turbo system or super duper supercharger or nitrous... but if you just slap anyone of those items on you will not make as much power as if you tuned your car with those item installed. i have seen people gain as much as 150hp from tuning (this was a supra with a very large turbocharger and about 50psi of boost)

The tune is everyhing... not only will you make more power tuning your car but your car will be more reliable as well then if you didn't tune it.

When we put motorsports3 MINI on the dyno... before i tuned it with the apex'i fuel controler it was at about 170-175whp... about 3 or 4 dyno pulls later we were over 200whp! You can't just slap parts on a car and expect them to make more power!!! You have to tune it!

Okay now i sound like a broken record... but yes! You are 100% correct if your car is not tuned properly you have a very strong chance of hurting your engine.

 

Its a good thing that you live in AZ huh! And we dont even charge a premium for our cars at our dealership! ha ha!

Also, pepper white is the fastest color... ha ha ha

 

Thank you for looking out for our wellbeing

And you are wrong about the Hp output of the M7/Cosworth Head/Package not
putting out 200whp. If you would follow some of the threads you would have found that last time we had a shootout here in LA we come in at 201.8whp.

And for the record, nothing come unglued.....

 

... running with race gas, no air filter whatsoever and having a fan blowing directly onto the intercooler (conditions that were not present for any of the other cars run that day).

 

Peter, can you tell us what other mods were done to the car to achieve 200whp beyond the cosworth head, race gas, and no intake?

 

what the heck is that supposed to mean? I don't even know how to inteligently respond to this... you are a very sensitive person aren't you?

and as far as your dyno... i said as far as i knew... implying I didn't know it to be 100% fact and was inviting you to correct me if i was wrong. Well you did... Good job... looks like it went over really well

 

Just to set the record right it appears that none of the items you mentioned as aiding the cars power output really helped out. We had already demonstrated to our satisfaction that this car actually ran lower HP figures with 100% race gas.

A couple of weeks later the car ran 216WHP on another dyno with NO RACE GAS, FULL AIR FILTER & HEAT SHIELD & NO IC FAN. Plus I had added an extra 30" resonator to the rear of the Magnaflow exhaust system, which probably didn't help the power output on the high end.

This was at the TMMZ Intake shoot out and that chart was posted.
As you might remember, many people thought that the torque spike at the beginning of the run was an interesting topic.

Most people in attendance that day would say this dyno was a little high, but not 16 WHP high. This was the highest output by any MINI that day including some stock & modified JCW cars.

So I believe we have demonstrated the cars ability to produce over 200WHP.

Even though the car has an Alky/Water injection system it was not used on any of these runs. The jetting in not right yet and it seems to pull the power down a little when used.

Any other questions you may have, I will be happy to answer.
Remember, I am the guy that has to drive this car every day

Bill

 

So, which M7 package has been dyno tested at 200 whp? What power adding components are on the car? How much does that exact package cost?