chows4us, im wondering that too.

 

So in summation anyone who installs or uses this system is subject to receiving a fine in the state of California? So if we can still find comeone to take the chance to install the system how do we factor in the fine along with the cost to re install your previous system if caught? This is starting to get expensive and we haven't even heard the true cost of the item itself.

John

 

NO. Only if you LIVE in CA. At least that is how it reads. Whether its enforced or not? Who knows.

 

Glad I live in Ohio, where you can still freely mod your car in whatever way you want! Sorry....had to rub it in!!!!

 

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"...no person shall use a muffler cutout, by-pass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle..."
There is, in my mind, a distinct difference between "use" and "have" or "install". The law states you may not "use". That, to me, doesn't mean you can't "have" a bypass or "install" a bypass. If you do not turn it on or engage it while on the highway then you do not "use" it.

dan

 

Yea but what good is a law if its never enforced...... We don't have smog checks anymore here in Florida. So yes its technically illegal to run straight pipes with no cats. But if nobody cares and its never enforced then exactly why should it matter?

 

i defintely agree to that, the "use" of the valve is for "track use". you don't break any laws until u get caught.. just be a responsible, law obeying driver.

 

In most sensable states (I.e. NOT CA, NY, MD, IL, DC), laws like that are very rarely applied to everyday driving. Now, if you're going 120 in a 60 zone, and have a lot of bling, stereo, and 6" tips, they may look a little harder. My guess is that it's used like some other laws--more like addons to bigger charges. I know in Ohio, any firearm that has a magazine capable of more than 31 rounds is considered a machinegun--no matter what type of weapon. So technically a bolt rifle with a 40 round capacity is a MG? I have yet to find any case that has used this law. It's something they'd tag on if they found you carrying illegal weapons or things like that.

I know if I get the WMS exhaust, I'll probably play with the switch for a week, and then leave it closed unless on the track after that, or maybe when doing some long distance travelling...

 

SO maybe the CA solution is to ensure if I get the switched WMS exhaust - also get the fixed plate for swapping in at SMOG time...

and never, under any circumstances load the 40 round clip into the bypass for fear of being cited for driving MCS-MG???!

:-)

thanks for th input folks...

Okeeton

 

Sigh, this thread never has any information about the WMS exhaust. Does anybody have a rough estimation of how long it'll take WMS to have the full exhaust (w/ switch and valve) ready? Pricing?

 

I know for a fact that units are in production and almost done........ WMS can give you pricing

 

Are these units with valves and switches though?

 

A good point. But now read the CA law ... They are going after those who SELL the stuff.

 

Now I could be wrong, and don't mean to speak out of place, but if anyone in California really thinks this exhaust will be CARB certified and sold for on road use... smoke up some more of that good stuff. As if WMS would risk a California Misdemeanor.

You guys need to put your energy into electing someone that will relax the CARB Gestapo stuff that goes on in CA... and get yourself some quality gas for once.

 

I talked with Randy last night on a slightly related matter. He mentioned that the exhaust production is ramping up and will not have the switch to start with... as per reasons previously mentioned in the thread....

.... and I'm okay with that.

 

If you live in CA, you ought to read this http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/streetlegal.html

 

Sorry - I should have been more clear - the reason being that the switches aren't ready at the price point that he needs/wants.

 

actually, mine will have the switch/valve but I am paying a premium for it....

 

This is the point that the Ca people must deal with . Not only is it a misdemeanor to run this system

"4513.22. Mufflers; excessive smoke or gas.
"Every motor vehicle and motorcycle with an internal combustion engine shall at all times be equipped with a muffler which is in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person shall use a muffler cutout, by-pass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway"
http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing...-h.htm&cp=PORC "

it will be tough to find a reputable installer when this is hanging over their heads.

"27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling
of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but
not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a
motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not
limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards
applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems
or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust
equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor."

As for the carb question that was raised by F15EWeapon

"Now I could be wrong, and don't mean to speak out of place, but if anyone in California really thinks this exhaust will be CARB certified and sold for on road use... smoke up some more of that good stuff. As if WMS would risk a California Misdemeanor.
"
That has about a good a chance of happening as the Alta intake being approved " this summer ". That promise has been made every year since the car came out.


John

 

Basically, you can modify an exhaust in the state of California as long as you are doing it from the catalytic converter and back, and as long as it is quieter than 95 dbA. See Section 27150 of the vehicle code, Section 2b. CARB is not involved if you are not modifying the emissions system. A car with a modified exhaust will pass a CARB SMOG test as long as you have the OE cats on the car.

 

Storm thanksd for the CA perspective...

Cheers-

 

Sooo.....back on topic here.... Any update on the exhaust?

 

I'm thinking you can buy them without the valve and switch or you can get the valve and switch for a premium. You just have to give them a call.

 

So Randy's new exhaust run $875 w/o the valve (as I don't really mind the manual by-pass plate). Supposely it is one of the lightest and the highest hp gain (10+ hp) after-market exhaust for MCS. Being that I only intend to "occassionally" track my car, it is really worth it? I know, answer to this can be rather subjective, but just want to get your take on this.

I also have my eyes on a set of Borla Sport (or Race, supposely the same thing). Very close in hp gain and costs about $150 less. Can't seem to decide which is a more sensible choice. Does anyone know which is louder? I like throaty sound but don't want it LOUD.

Chime in, guys