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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 05:13 AM
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I don't think this event ever happened
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 05:55 AM
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I don't think this event ever happened

Haha....much like the moon landing....

Anyways, it would be hard to believe considering someone has already posted the data from their individual dyno. So please check on validity of statements before saying things that would lead people astray.

Hope your back feels better
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 05:59 AM
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hey 'rally' wheres the info? i clicked on tmm link but did not find it there either....

Hey dude....we are still working on it. I promise this will be worth the wait....we will reveal the numbers and you guys can finally see how they compare.


Sorry about the wait.
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
Haha....much like the moon landing....

Anyways, it would be hard to believe considering someone has already posted the data from their individual dyno. So please check on validity of statements before saying things that would lead people astray.

Hope your back feels better
I was just kidding ...........hey, getting all his WMS exhaust stuff going has been a chore....I can appreciate the task.......

Thanks for the well wishes
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 06:55 AM
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Yeah... I was there... it happened
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 07:13 AM
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I see none of them making the sort of gains that the HAI made:



 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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I see none of them making the sort of gains that the HAI made:
That might account for the need for those huge glasses you are wearing in your sig picture
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 09:27 AM
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what's the time frame on this data being published because i am just itching to get a new intake, and this is killing me. i'm really looking forward to this test, because of the inclusion of Helix's intake, i'm trying to stay loyal to East Coast...J.K.- i just like the work that Eric and Dane do.
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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welcome to the EastSide.....disco

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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
Hey dude....we are still working on it. I promise this will be worth the wait....we will reveal the numbers and you guys can finally see how they compare.


Sorry about the wait.
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Hello everyone, thanks for your patience, we are working on an article, not just numbers.

If you are waiting and would like specific info, feel free to pm me.

thanks
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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PMsent......
if you mean you sent me a PM i'm afraid it didnt go through...my box says its empty
:smile:
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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if you mean you sent me a PM i'm afraid it didnt go through...my box says its empty
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
I see none of them making the sort of gains that the HAI made:



I see that as presumptive and off-base ! Remember, R1 kid did only one run with each. His runs can't, scientifically-speaking, be compared to each other or to the numbers from our scientific trial. For one, his car was cold on the first run and hot when he did a quick second run. There is little power in his single measurements, anyways. The article will make for good reading . In terms of scientific basis and repeatability, you will no doubt be impressed. We did multiple runs and controlled many variables :smile:
 
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I'll revise my prediction. I predict that this "shootout" will show gains of:

Helix: 0 hp
Alta: 2 hp
M7: 4 hp

It was by choice that your "team" didn't test the HAI alongside the other intakes.

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I see that as presumptive and off-base ! Remember, R1 kid did only one run with each. His runs can't, scientifically-speaking, be compared to each other or to the numbers from our scientific trial. For one, his car was cold on the first run and hot when he did a quick second run. There is little power in his single measurements, anyways. The article will make for good reading . In terms of scientific basis and repeatability, you will no doubt be impressed. We did multiple runs and controlled many variables :smile:
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
I'll revise my prediction. I predict that this "shootout" will show gains of:

Helix: 0 hp
Alta: 2 hp
M7: 4 hp

It was by choice that your "team" didn't test the HAI alongside the other intakes.
Hi Andy,

what do you think the HAI would have shown?

Bob
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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Dunno ... 4.1 hp?
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
I'll revise my prediction. I predict that this "shootout" will show gains of:

Helix: 0 hp
Alta: 2 hp
M7: 4 hp

It was by choice that your "team" didn't test the HAI alongside the other intakes.
Umm, no. K&N would not allow that. Plain and simple. We told everyone here, I do believe. Regardless, we had hoped to do so and inquired repeatedly for more than a month, but with no luck. Ask your filter manufacturer .
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
Dunno ... 4.1 hp?
Are you sure you have properly adjusted your butt crystal ball?
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
Dunno ... 4.1 hp?
Now that is funny
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 02:24 PM
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Umm, no. K&N would not allow that. Plain and simple. We told everyone here, I do believe. Regardless, we had hoped to do so and inquired repeatedly for more than a month, but with no luck. Ask your filter manufacturer .
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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Andy, you think that m7 will show more gains than the Helix and Alta? wow! never thought i'd see this day!
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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ur box is full
fixed. sucks being popular! j.k.
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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It doesn't make sense given past dyno tests, but yet that is my prediction for the results of this particular shootout.

Originally Posted by discodan
Andy, you think that m7 will show more gains than the Helix and Alta? wow! never thought i'd see this day!
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
It doesn't make sense given past dyno tests, but yet that is my prediction for the results of this particular shootout.
Just to clarify, the AGS v2 was used in these tests. It is the only tube available now, and the price did not increase with its introduction to the best of my knowledge- Peter even said he was swapping v2 tubes for existing v1's pro bono, I believe. It had not been used in any previous tests, and only once had seen a dyno, at least publically- at the SoCal dyno day.

It's a little strange that someone would make predictions that "[don't] make sense," and do so with emphasis.
 
Old Nov 16, 2005 | 03:16 PM
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Wow, enough with the condescending tone please.

I was there, I saw the results and saw the tests right in front of me. It was completely equal, completely fair.

We only tested the three because it's what we had permission to test. We went about it that way to keep it as fair as possible and keep people from saying that anything was less than 100% accurate. Also, these results are going to be posted on a site as an article, it's just generally a good idea to get permission before posting tests done on someone else's product.

More shootouts will be done when more companies give permission and on other types of products.

If you don't think the testing was done fairly, please don't be rude, go test them yourself.
 



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