The statement that it wasnt an intake was a misunderstanding by one of the readers which was quickly cleared up. I think everyone would agree that its an intake. We just didnt get permission to test it.

Thanks for your opinions though

 

we are not stupid.

this thread - lots of foreplay but no happy ending .[/quote]

I had a gF in high school like this........we drifted apart

 

2) It's not out of the question by any stretch of the imagination. Despite some popular belief, Andy is not god. He's not that good. He has and will be innacurate once in a while, because he's human just like the rest of us.

4) It's a funny condition, NAM. If TMMZ went ahead and tested intakes, some with vendor/producer agreement to the methods and procedures, and some without, someone on NAM would call BS and unfairness because they don't like the method or procedures, or results. If TMMZ tried to do the right thing and make it as fair as possible for all vendor/producers, somone on NAM calls BS and unfairness, because they don't like the methods or procedures, or results. Chances are they'd be the same people in both cases, too.

The "HAI" is not an intake. It's a component of an intake performing the role of an intake. That aside, it was treated as such, and the same courtesies were extended to K&N with regards to the Typhoon and filter. It was fairness that drove that decision, not politics.

 

Quod erat demonstrandum. How does one separate fact from fiction if both are delivered together?

 

It's everything upstream of the TB, if that isn't an intake, what is?

Matt

 

Technically it's everything upstream of the combustion chamber, but that's really not the point. It performs the functions of an intake, I agree. My point is that it isn't sold as an intake, it's sold as a filter. I used the HAI filter for a long while, so I'm not against it. I had to remove it because the car had to go in to the shop for an O2 sensor. Then I got a BMP intake and it is shiny, and much more attractive than the HAI filter.

Point is that there is no label on the box that says "Intake", but there is one that says "Filter". AGS, Alta, Heliz, Typhoon, etc. all are labeled and sold as "intakes".

 

Who cares what it says on the box. Use a fosters beer can and an old sock, it's still an intake!

Matt

 

On Andy - One wouldn't typically characterize Andy as being inaccurate that does not imply perfection . On a parrallel, it would be funny if he were GOD
but that would mean your going to hell. But alas not, if Andy were GOD don't ya think that his MCS would have a few more ponies? like 400 HP

On Nam - If you don't want comments, feedback, opinions then one should not post on a Board. Thats the purpose of a Board, it opens things up from valued inter exchange to whip snappy retorts.

So here the conclusion is - Andy's not perfect, the boards not perfect and shoot outs aren't perfect.

Is there a lesson for all of us to learn? (This is the really funny part) Its not wise to pre announce your going to do a shoot out. Look at this thread, its how many pages ? and so far has very little to do about a shoot out, any shoot out. Christ, if one can't take this "pre-heat" what's going to happen if you ever post numbers. This is what happens when you get the natives all hot and bothered and nothing delivered. They don't get numbers to tear apart, they start poster cannabilizm. Personally, I'd giv'em some numbers , any numbers! I'd even post numbers on the HAI - just to quell the natives.

And speacking of HAI - so " its a component of an intake performing the role of an intake" = and that equals an intake my friend. As I said I did not expect you to test every intake. All you have to say is we tested these X,Y & Z and these were our findings. Dam, but then there would have to be findings involved. Any reason other than the HAI not being an intake I will accept for reasons why you excluded it.

Bet you had wished you had called it CAI SHOOT OUT rather than Intake shooT out, huh.

I say lets put it to the board via a poll question = is the HAI an intake or is it not? Hey, Mr. Moderator do you have this cability on the site?

I really love this board, I either learn something or I find myself on the floor busting a gut laughing. Its all good man.

 

with cannibis, man.

 

hahaha own3d

 

not the answer i would expect from someone so concerned and uptight about the issue

 

This is something new? Its human nature and happens in ALL things. You can't please the masses because there are two ends to the normal curve.

 

First off....did you notice we started the thread to invite people to the event so they could dyno as well? We didnt bring it up to just catch peoples' attention and keep them waiting....we offered spots for the dyno, and offered to have people over to have fun. So you probably should think twice about learning that "first lesson" that you mention....we were just trying to invite people over to have fun (as life should be). If "the natives" get hot....i couldnt care less.....flames and insults will do nothing to me....just some impatient adults acting silly. We invited people over for a good time, and those who came had fun.

Again, we DID say that we tested X,Y, and Z. I stated the exact reason why those were the only ones tested. They were the only ones that we had permission to test. Just because you decide to focus on the statement that the HAI isnt an intake doesnt mean we didnt mention the real reason we didnt test it. Please read all posts before talking like you have.

Im not too worried that we called it the intake shootout....sorry

And how would a poll help the situation? The opinion of many individuals(many of whom dont know much about car definitions outside of what they have learned here) is unnecessary when you can look at universal definitions and such.... Although i agree its an intake....i think the polls are unncessary.

I love this board too....although im sad that people such as yourself have joined. You make it much less fun, and seem to bring a negative vibe to what used to be a very nice community. I have been here since this website started.....and boy have things changed Try to keep things positive and life will seem much more enjoyable. No need to laugh at others (as you have admitted to) and laugh at things that bring you joy within yourself. No reason to put others down....just look beyond posts that bother you and find posts where you can be of help ot others.

cheers

 

including that mac and andy were the parents

 

How do the parents matter in this case?

 

Dude, I'm just fun'in w/ ya. I'm not laughing at ya but the journey of this thread. Nor am I puttin ya down personally. I was actually looking forward to reading about your findings, comments and thoughts about the intakes tested.

sincerely,










cheers [/quote]

 

I've been watching this thread for a while and I was there getting my car dyno'd as well. They did their best to be objective and consistant, but thats besides the point. My vote is that the HAI is an intake. So who give a hoot anyways, if we did use a Foster beer can and it delivered we'd all be rushing out to get one on our Poopers faster than a ***** on a nickel.
Maybe we do learn something after all.

 

 

Sooo are you saying that one or all of the "intakes" made more power than the HAI?

 

I forgive you all, my sons ... especially those who have trespassed against me.

 

That's the Andy I know and love....where have you been?

I have had to take a step back from all of this and remind myself that this IS for FUN and a HOBBY........and when people get pissed and we don't hear from them anymore it is a loss for me ....... (there are several we don't hear from anymore)...... It's like a character being written out of a favorite story........ all the characters add color.....I have come to appreciate all the view points whether I agree or not.....let's not lose our/the most valuable asset/s on this site....each other.

Sorry for being OT.......

 

Am i the daddy or the mommy?

 

well, nowadays with the right plastic surgeon, you can be either one......

 

I'm just relieved you didn't ask if you were the pitcher or reciever!

 

here's the daddy: