Drivetrain Cam Mod
#1
Cam Mod
Would like to know if a cam upgrade would be the next mod for my car (2003 Mini Cooper S)
Presently it has the following mods:
15% reduction pulley
2% ATI harmonic damper
Mini Madness CAI
1320 bypass valve
GRS Intercooler
Alta exhaust (stock header)
Stock injectors (330cc)
What would be the best cam to use with these mods? The car is used as a weekend driver and no track time. Looking for something for street use and spirited driving.
Was considering WMW mild street cam or Newman ph2.
I dont have access to a dyno and am not able to remap my ECU at present.
Not looking to do anymore engine mods beyond this.
Thanks
Ron
Presently it has the following mods:
15% reduction pulley
2% ATI harmonic damper
Mini Madness CAI
1320 bypass valve
GRS Intercooler
Alta exhaust (stock header)
Stock injectors (330cc)
What would be the best cam to use with these mods? The car is used as a weekend driver and no track time. Looking for something for street use and spirited driving.
Was considering WMW mild street cam or Newman ph2.
I dont have access to a dyno and am not able to remap my ECU at present.
Not looking to do anymore engine mods beyond this.
Thanks
Ron
Last edited by 03cooperr53; 10-22-2018 at 12:59 PM.
#4
03Cooperr wrote -
2% ATI harmonic balancer
For general information/or...what it may be worth, neither the ATI or any other "wheel" on the front of the Mini crank shaft is a "balancer"
It's a "Damper".
It dampens crankshaft harmonics (vibration).
No "balancing" going on, what-so-ever.
Mike
2% ATI harmonic balancer
For general information/or...what it may be worth, neither the ATI or any other "wheel" on the front of the Mini crank shaft is a "balancer"
It's a "Damper".
It dampens crankshaft harmonics (vibration).
No "balancing" going on, what-so-ever.
Mike
#6
Let me rephrase that then, any can swap will require a tune "if you want no compromises in everyday driveability".
That car may run ok, but there will at least be some minor things that may or may not bother you.
That car may run ok, but there will at least be some minor things that may or may not bother you.
#7
Agreed -
ANY addition of freer flowing in the system (a better header, hotter cam, much more intake pressure, freer flowing exhaust), WILL require more fuel...to make it run "correctly".
Just because the computer doesn't throw a code, as being too lean...does not mean it's not too lean for the best performance.
I can't tell you how many guys put headers on their cars back in the 60's thru the early 80's and the engine ran worse, and the guy couldn't figure it out..!?
Add a little more fuel, a little more ignition timing...a whole new car..! Over and over again.
I made a few bucks "fixing" those guys combinations back in the day.
It's NO different now. It's still an internal combustion engine, running on gasoline, the exact same rules apply.
Mike
ANY addition of freer flowing in the system (a better header, hotter cam, much more intake pressure, freer flowing exhaust), WILL require more fuel...to make it run "correctly".
Just because the computer doesn't throw a code, as being too lean...does not mean it's not too lean for the best performance.
I can't tell you how many guys put headers on their cars back in the 60's thru the early 80's and the engine ran worse, and the guy couldn't figure it out..!?
Add a little more fuel, a little more ignition timing...a whole new car..! Over and over again.
I made a few bucks "fixing" those guys combinations back in the day.
It's NO different now. It's still an internal combustion engine, running on gasoline, the exact same rules apply.
Mike
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#8
03Cooperr wrote -
2% ATI harmonic balancer
For general information/or...what it may be worth, neither the ATI or any other "wheel" on the front of the Mini crank shaft is a "balancer"
It's a "Damper".
It dampens crankshaft harmonics (vibration).
No "balancing" going on, what-so-ever.
Mike
2% ATI harmonic balancer
For general information/or...what it may be worth, neither the ATI or any other "wheel" on the front of the Mini crank shaft is a "balancer"
It's a "Damper".
It dampens crankshaft harmonics (vibration).
No "balancing" going on, what-so-ever.
Mike
My mistake.........I meant to say damper.
Thanks
#10
First on the cam, anything that has a lift increase of more than .400 will most likely hit the plug tubes unless the main shaft is turned down smaller. Something most cams are not.
On the injectors, here is site where if you enter some input you can size your injectors.
https://fuelinjectorclinic.com/flow-calculator
Some basic "injector" talk is:
1.) Size - the size of an injector is based on how many cubic centimeters (cc) of fuel is distributed in one minute. A 380 injector can be called a 380 cc injector, a 550 a 550 cc injector. The actual amount of fuel an injector will provided is based upon the pressure of the fuel system. Most non high-pressure fuel pumps operate in a 45 to 66 PSI range. As the MINI is a European vehicle, the metric system is used relative to pressure. The fuel system for the Gen1 is rated at 3.5 bars that equates to 50.7 PSI. A note, remember that pressure is based upon sea level. Just as in your tires the pressure will drop as you go up in altitude the correlation is applicable here. The higher the fuel pressure, the more fuel will be provided.
2.) Brake Horse Power or BHP - this is the horsepower measured at the crankshaft.
3.) Wheel Horse Power or WHP - this is the horsepower measured at the wheel. Horsepower is consumed/lost between the crankshaft and the wheels via the drivetrain. On a rear wheel drive (RWD) car the rule of thumb is approximately 85% of the crankshaft horsepower reaches the wheel. In a front wheel drive (FWD) car as the MINI this lose is approximately 11%. In calculating fuel injector sizes the BHP must be used. To convert your WHP into BHP you can divide by 0.89 (89%).
4.) BSFC or Brake-Specific Fuel Consumption - BSFC is the term used to reflect the amount of fuel used per unit of power created. For a MINI Justa, a BSFC of 0.45 to 0.55 is appropriate with the 0.55 being used when there are modifications in place. For a MINI S/JCW that is supercharged a 0.55 to 0.65 BSFC is appropriate with 0.65 being used when there are modifications in place. The more modifications, the higher the BSFC. The BSFCs noted here are based upon gasoline consumption. An E85 ethanol/gasoline mix will have higher BSFC numbers as it requires more alcohol to produce the same energy as gasoline.
5.) Injector Duty Cycle - The Duty Cycle of an injector is the percentage of time that injector is open providing fuel between spark plug detonation. Most will advise that a safe Duty Cycle or percentage is from 80% to 90% (0.80 to 0.90). At issue here is that engine requires a certain amount of fuel for a good Air/Fuel (AF) Mixture. The more fuel provided, the "richer" the AF, the less fuel provided the "leaner" the AF. A lean AF produces higher temperatures and a very lean AF can result in temperatures so high that a hole can be burned in the piston.
With these basic terms, the formula for calculating the amount of fuel required is - (BHP x BSFC)/(The number of injectors x the Injector Duty Cycle). Using a 200 BHP value on a stock supercharger engine we would have - (200 x 0.55)/(4 injectors x 0.80) = 110/3.2 = 34.37 pounds of gasoline per hour. This 34.37 is based upon a fuel pressure of 45 PSI so as the MINI has a fuel pressure of 50.7 PSI we have 45/50.7 = 88.7%. So we multiply 34.37 lbs x 0.887 to come up with 30.48 lbs. As gasoline weighs approximately 6 lbs per gallon we have 30.48/6 = 5.08 gallons. Next we need to convert gallons of gas into cubic centimeters. There are 3,785.41 cubic centimeters to a gallon of gas - 5.08 x 3785.41 = 19,229.88. We now divide this number by the 60 (number of minutes in an hour) - 19,229.88/60 = 320. So for a 200 BHP engine, an injector rated for at least 320 cc is required. The Gen1 MINI injector size is 380, the S injector size is 300. This is why you will see many comments that if a 15% pulley is installed that the S injectors are above a safe duty cycle number.
I am not going to go into spray patterns at this time.
On the injectors, here is site where if you enter some input you can size your injectors.
https://fuelinjectorclinic.com/flow-calculator
Some basic "injector" talk is:
1.) Size - the size of an injector is based on how many cubic centimeters (cc) of fuel is distributed in one minute. A 380 injector can be called a 380 cc injector, a 550 a 550 cc injector. The actual amount of fuel an injector will provided is based upon the pressure of the fuel system. Most non high-pressure fuel pumps operate in a 45 to 66 PSI range. As the MINI is a European vehicle, the metric system is used relative to pressure. The fuel system for the Gen1 is rated at 3.5 bars that equates to 50.7 PSI. A note, remember that pressure is based upon sea level. Just as in your tires the pressure will drop as you go up in altitude the correlation is applicable here. The higher the fuel pressure, the more fuel will be provided.
2.) Brake Horse Power or BHP - this is the horsepower measured at the crankshaft.
3.) Wheel Horse Power or WHP - this is the horsepower measured at the wheel. Horsepower is consumed/lost between the crankshaft and the wheels via the drivetrain. On a rear wheel drive (RWD) car the rule of thumb is approximately 85% of the crankshaft horsepower reaches the wheel. In a front wheel drive (FWD) car as the MINI this lose is approximately 11%. In calculating fuel injector sizes the BHP must be used. To convert your WHP into BHP you can divide by 0.89 (89%).
4.) BSFC or Brake-Specific Fuel Consumption - BSFC is the term used to reflect the amount of fuel used per unit of power created. For a MINI Justa, a BSFC of 0.45 to 0.55 is appropriate with the 0.55 being used when there are modifications in place. For a MINI S/JCW that is supercharged a 0.55 to 0.65 BSFC is appropriate with 0.65 being used when there are modifications in place. The more modifications, the higher the BSFC. The BSFCs noted here are based upon gasoline consumption. An E85 ethanol/gasoline mix will have higher BSFC numbers as it requires more alcohol to produce the same energy as gasoline.
5.) Injector Duty Cycle - The Duty Cycle of an injector is the percentage of time that injector is open providing fuel between spark plug detonation. Most will advise that a safe Duty Cycle or percentage is from 80% to 90% (0.80 to 0.90). At issue here is that engine requires a certain amount of fuel for a good Air/Fuel (AF) Mixture. The more fuel provided, the "richer" the AF, the less fuel provided the "leaner" the AF. A lean AF produces higher temperatures and a very lean AF can result in temperatures so high that a hole can be burned in the piston.
With these basic terms, the formula for calculating the amount of fuel required is - (BHP x BSFC)/(The number of injectors x the Injector Duty Cycle). Using a 200 BHP value on a stock supercharger engine we would have - (200 x 0.55)/(4 injectors x 0.80) = 110/3.2 = 34.37 pounds of gasoline per hour. This 34.37 is based upon a fuel pressure of 45 PSI so as the MINI has a fuel pressure of 50.7 PSI we have 45/50.7 = 88.7%. So we multiply 34.37 lbs x 0.887 to come up with 30.48 lbs. As gasoline weighs approximately 6 lbs per gallon we have 30.48/6 = 5.08 gallons. Next we need to convert gallons of gas into cubic centimeters. There are 3,785.41 cubic centimeters to a gallon of gas - 5.08 x 3785.41 = 19,229.88. We now divide this number by the 60 (number of minutes in an hour) - 19,229.88/60 = 320. So for a 200 BHP engine, an injector rated for at least 320 cc is required. The Gen1 MINI injector size is 380, the S injector size is 300. This is why you will see many comments that if a 15% pulley is installed that the S injectors are above a safe duty cycle number.
I am not going to go into spray patterns at this time.
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