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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by yesti
Have you tried it? To an extent the DME does reset trims when it loses power.
I have not, however I removed it and problem solved. Although, my MINI is still pulling strong, not scary strong like with the JB+ but strong enough to make the ride fun, LOL. Putting back the JB+ later
MTF...
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
I have not, however I removed it and problem solved. Although, my MINI is still pulling strong, not scary strong like with the JB+ but strong enough to make the ride fun, LOL. Putting back the JB+ later
MTF...
Wheew!!!. So I reinstalled JB+., all is good, Went back up to 1 O'clock position, and it feels superb, no stutter no boost dump what so ever.

Back to a steady tune. Still monitoring timing being weather is up and down far as temps.

???, Who uses the Speedo on MINI Connected for AFR monitoring with the NAM? I feel the speedo is too slow. Only monitoring I trust is the fuel gauge and the code reader. I am ordering the PLX Wi-Fi device to use with my dash command. Hope that gives me accurate reads, real time and recorded.

Lastly, as far as scanning for codes, can the N18 throw codes without setting off CEL? And how does it display the codes. I tried pulling codes, and **** got confusing, a whole lot of speedo movement and blinkers going off, but no CEL. I reset it so to allow for a fresh run, just want to be ready for future codes.

Any info will be helpful,

Thanks!!!
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72

Lastly, as far as scanning for codes, can the N18 throw codes without setting off CEL? And how does it display the codes. I tried pulling codes, and **** got confusing, a whole lot of speedo movement and blinkers going off, but no CEL. I reset it so to allow for a fresh run, just want to be ready for future codes.

Any info will be helpful,

Thanks!!!
Yes there are hidden tuner codes. That's why
I got the can tool with jb+
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
Wheew!!!. So I reinstalled JB+., all is good, Went back up to 1 O'clock position, and it feels superb, no stutter no boost dump what so ever. Back to a steady tune. Still monitoring timing being weather is up and down far as temps. ???, Who uses the Speedo on MINI Connected for AFR monitoring with the NAM? I feel the speedo is too slow. Only monitoring I trust is the fuel gauge and the code reader. I am ordering the PLX Wi-Fi device to use with my dash command. Hope that gives me accurate reads, real time and recorded. Lastly, as far as scanning for codes, can the N18 throw codes without setting off CEL? And how does it display the codes. I tried pulling codes, and **** got confusing, a whole lot of speedo movement and blinkers going off, but no CEL. I reset it so to allow for a fresh run, just want to be ready for future codes. Any info will be helpful, Thanks!!!
Speedo is good for AFR...I have the connected option as well.

It only uses a third of the speedo, so no drastic sweeps that it can't keep up.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rckrzy1
Yes there are hidden tuner codes. That's why
I got the can tool with jb+
Where do I find the hidden tuner codes?

Originally Posted by NewCooperFanatic
Speedo is good for AFR...I have the connected option as well.

It only uses a third of the speedo, so no drastic sweeps that it can't keep up.
Please explain more, and what are you seeing as far as AFR? I see low 13s and that's a bit Lean, I believe...
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Roxspin, what type of fuel are/were you using?
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov
Roxspin, what type of fuel are/were you using?
I was using 93 Octane w/10% Ethanol, and added one bottle of NOS Octane boost which was supposed to raise Octane 31points which should have amounted to 96-97 Octane. Was good first tank, then it starting acting up second tank.

However, I noticed that the issue only occurred under heavy load I.e. flooring it in fourth gear while at low RPM. Is this operator error, or is my fuel mixture crap???
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
Please explain more, and what are you seeing as far as AFR? I see low 13s and that's a bit Lean, I believe...
The engine will run relatively lean, even on boost, to save fuel. Tis the magic that is direct injection. The lowest it goes under high boost is in the 12's, observed by folks that use methanol injection and have the JB+ set to 100%.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 08:29 PM
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If you set speedo for AFR, it'll never go below 110, and when off the throttle it'll go to 160.

So the needle can keep up in that distance.
It only moves between 11/0 and 16/0, that's the best option for us.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 08:51 PM
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Soo?

Originally Posted by yesti
The engine will run relatively lean, even on boost, to save fuel. Tis the magic that is direct injection. The lowest it goes under high boost is in the 12's, observed by folks that use methanol injection and have the JB+ set to 100%.
So if I am Seeing mid to Low 13's a WOT, is that normal???

[QUOTE=NewCooperFanatic;3900625]If you set speedo for AFR, it'll never go below 110, and when off the throttle it'll go to 160.

So the needle can keep up in that distance.
It only moves between 11/0 and 16/0, that's the best option for us./QUOTE]

11/0 and 16/0 ???

Confused...

My speedo is spitting out 40ish MPH and drops to 30ish MPH

Hence the 13ish AFR at WOT with timing moving up steadily...

This is all making me wish I had real AFR/Boost/Timing monitoring systems in place
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 08:57 PM
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I see high 11's due to the methanol.

What are you seeing towards the top of a gear?
You should be in the mid 12's.

Also remember, it takes about 3 WOT pulls to get a true AFR reading.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NewCooperFanatic
I see high 11's due to the methanol.

What are you seeing towards the top of a gear?
You should be in the mid 12's.

Also remember, it takes about 3 WOT pulls to get a true AFR reading.
This is why I am not happy with the NAM tool... I feel like it can be a deceptive /false reading at some times,

Kind of like the Scan Gauge II, way to slow for real time readings
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 09:10 PM
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Thaught?

Does anybody recommend Timing advance on speedo with AFR on fuel gauge???
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
Does anybody recommend Timing advance on speedo with AFR on fuel gauge???
For anyone with Mini Connected...fuel gauge is the most reliable
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 09:40 PM
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Noted...

Originally Posted by NewCooperFanatic
For anyone with Mini Connected...fuel gauge is the most reliable
Thanks, That's what I figured..
 
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Old Mar 22, 2014 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
Thanks, That's what I figured..
Read your last post wrong, AFR on speedo, timing on fuel gauge and you're set.

You can try timing on the speedo but you'll soon find out it's too damn slow.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72

So if I am Seeing mid to Low 13's a WOT, is that normal???
If you arent injecting meth, the AFR is from the stock maps for that psi (all other variables considered). Meth is a 'fuel' so it'll richen up the mixture further as NewCoop has mentioned. If you arent running meth then monitoring AFR seems just informational since there isnt anything you can do about it, so long as you aren't maxing out your fuel trims, which shouldnt be happening unless you're turning up the JB+ and running E85 mixture(E85 makes you run lean if you max the fuel trim). At least thats what i've deduced from this thread so far.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
...I noticed that the issue only occurred under heavy load I.e. flooring it in fourth gear while at low RPM.
How low of RPM? You want to be careful doing this, it puts the engine under tremendous load. I typically won't WOT under 3000 RPM in the higher gears.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Roxspin72
... I am ordering the PLX Wi-Fi device to use with my dash command. Hope that gives me accurate reads, real time and recorded.

Thanks!!!
You will really like this. You can also download the evaluation version of ScanXL from Palmer Performance to load the saved data into. To take data straight to a laptop (IIRC) you need the professional version - I bought it for $79.

 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cerenkov
You will really like this. You can also download the evaluation version of ScanXL from Palmer Performance to load the saved data into. To take data straight to a laptop (IIRC) you need the professional version - I bought it for $79.

That's cool, I will definitely look into that. So I'm gaining do cash here soon, and will be buying a mount from craven speed for my I Phone, plus the splitter for OBD port. My set up will run PLX for I Phone ap while monitoring timing on fuel guage also. Lastly WMW down pipe and I should be a happy camper until JB4 is released. Until then no more tweaking the dial...

Thanks for all the info 👍
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 08:55 AM
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Looking for E85 feedback

A couple stations have begun selling E85 in my area (suburban Chicago). I currently use Costco 93 w/10% ethanol (a top tier fuel). With my current mods I've left the JB+ in its stock setting. If I blend in a gallon of E85 per tank fillup for no more than a 20% ethanol ratio, would I be able to kick up the JB+ a notch or two? I figure adding a gallon of E85 on a nearly empty tank would put about 2-1/4 gallons of ethanol in the tank for just over a 17% blend. I have dash command so I can monitor real time timing and AFR's - although unfortunately I can't graph it.

I know this subject has been discussed a lot but I'd appreciate any feedback from Terry or some of the other gurus. Is long term use of 20% ethanol detrimental with the R56's components/seals? She is my daily driver.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 03:14 PM
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I have emailed the guys at BMS but I have not recieved a responce in over a month now...maybe you guys can help...I just wanted to know what to monitor ? I was kkeping track of the timing and boost...anything else I should be looking at ?

Also what is considered high boost ? I've seen 21.9psi with no problems, my JB+ set at 80% running 91 octane, CALI. 70 degrees or so outside. I want to turn it up to 100% running 116 octane.

I have a 2013 JCW, with Custom built intercooler, Custom 2.25 unrestricted exhaust, BMC air cleaner, Custom hot pipe.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.
The N18 specific indicators have been discussed ad nauseam in this thread. But if you're looking for a higher level of discussion related to data logging parameters and their meaning I'd suggest visiting this thread.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21269
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DOtheDEW
P0171 was the code I am getting, system too lean (bank 1) I am going to turn down JB+ to 50% and clear the code and see what happens from there, what should I have my gauges set to, to monitor this? I currently have my fuel gauge set for the boost gauge.
Email our tech support as this P0171 code is something we've seen before and are looking to chase down on the rare cars that report it.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2014 | 03:18 PM
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Am i blind or did JB remove the CAN tool off the website???
In recently evaluating our inventory for products that are either not-profitable and/or have a high potential for misuse the CAN Tool did not make the cut. It's been discontinued. We will continue to support the logging functions for those who have purchased it though.

On a go forward basis we suggest the Bavarian Technic cable for logging and code management.

http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
 
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