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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
I'll get the quick install version on the dyno early next week for some firm numbers.
Much appreciated Terry. We all look forward to the results.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 10:59 AM
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 11:39 AM
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Did a JB+ install on a local automatic. I raced around the block a few times and it felt good to me at various throttle positions. He's going to drive it for a week and report back.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
For Stage1 we're targeting around 16-17psi. We want the reliable and easy to gain horsepower to start. Then with a future Stage2 upgrade we'll work on pushing things higher. Would love to see some boost by RPM curves on the Cobb off the shelf maps if you have it.

I have regular dyno's with hp/tq across rpm but no boost on it. I was reading boost directly off a boost gauge.

The tunes were not dyno tweaked - just canned for mods by Alta. I had a larger (alta) intercooler. (for both the 07 S and 09 JCW)

Here is the dyno for the 09 JCW (measured at the wheels)
 

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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Can't wait for this....already have an aquamist kit...the car is ready to handle the extra boost safely.

It's loving the 100 degree heat with the meth.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Did a JB+ install on a local automatic. I raced around the block a few times and it felt good to me at various throttle positions. He's going to drive it for a week and report back.
Great!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jet127
Hi Terry,

I had my N18 engine tuned but I would definitely want to try this if there will be no negative effect on the ECU if I use your option to override my current tune. Do you think it will be an issue?
Yes, I expect it will be an issue. So I would not use any of our tuning products on something already tuned until we're able to fully explore how they might work together.

But, the CAN Tool will be a great addition for you.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ch28Kid
As a N14 owner with Alta AP, I am extremely jealous. +1 and subscribed to this thread.
Borrowed an N14 for a bit and was able to get the CAN Tool programmed for it. I also poked around at the tuning and the sensors / DME logic is very different than the N18 so at least for now we won't commit to doing any tuning for them. Realistically the Cobb AP is the best tuning solution for N14 owners currently. I'm not sure why Alta has a strangle hold on the tuning interface but hopefully Cobb releases it to other tuners. I'd be happy to help make you guys a rocking AP map if they'd release the editor software to us.
 

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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NewCooperFanatic
Can't wait for this....already have an aquamist kit...the car is ready to handle the extra boost safely.

It's loving the 100 degree heat with the meth.
Does heat bother anyone on meth?????? I know, I know... gotta be serious on this thread.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 09:07 PM
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There is an ECU update for the R60 to address the early brake service light. I held off on this update purposely until the JB comes out so that I can then go back to stock. As Terry mentioned earlier there is beta test on the autos that seems promising. This way I can move away from the issues I have with my current tune. Now I am wondering why my current tune has the issues in the first place...
 
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Old Jul 19, 2013 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wzabrouski
This way I can move away from the issues I have with my current tune. Now I am wondering why my current tune has the issues in the first place...
can you elaborate what the issue is with autos and the nm tune? i've read about it, but haven't come across anything that described what the problem actually is.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 09:29 AM
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Well, Terry and I swapped cars for a day, he has my N14 and I have his JB+ style tuned N18. I realize the stock N18 has a tiny bump in power over the N14, but this tune really has made a difference.

It definitely should have come like this from factory. So much nicer getting around town when I'm at a stock and I want to switch to another lane that's open...GET UP AND GO! Feels really nice. Makes me wish I still had my tune on my N14 because just this bump in power has been an improvement on the every day livability of the MINI. I think most of you N18 guys will enjoy this added bit of power. Install is ridiculously easy. You can probably do it with your eyes closed (but make sure if you did, your car isn't hot, lol)!

Bravo to Terry for stepping in and helping the N18 community, you guys are in good hands...
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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Hopefully Terry is doing some dev work on your N14 car....
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jomama

can you elaborate what the issue is with autos and the nm tune? i've read about it, but haven't come across anything that described what the problem actually is.
Auto transmission supposedly can't handle the power stated by NM and another company. So some people are getting surging with the tune.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RobMuntean
Auto transmission supposedly can't handle the power stated by NM and another company. So some people are getting surging with the tune.
thanks for that clarification. come to think of it, I prob did read that but just didn't remember. didn't some day that the aisin a/t is good for 350hp?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jomama

thanks for that clarification. come to think of it, I prob did read that but just didn't remember. didn't some day that the aisin a/t is good for 350hp?
I don't know exactly but I'd have to say no most likely. If it had the DSG transmission then possibly. Is the 350hp what you are aiming for?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RobMuntean
Is the 350hp what you are aiming for?
not in the least. I'm aiming for some good reasonable fun. the jb, if it doesn't cause any issues with the a/t, would be just the ticket. and I'd progress up to stage 1 and 2 when I get bored.
I'll be taking delivery of a Q5 in 2 wks. in due time, that car might see 350-375hp. guys on Audi forums have been running sub 13s in flordia heat/humidity with just a pulley and a tune...ridiculous for a 4000+lb machine.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RobMuntean
Auto transmission supposedly can't handle the power stated by NM and another company. So some people are getting surging with the tune.
I saw some video -- appears to me to be the transmission torque limiter and DME torque limiter at not in agreement.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mindspin311
Hopefully Terry is doing some dev work on your N14 car....
Gotta say, something about other MINIs' clutches and mine. Everyone else's clutch seems so mushy and soft. The other day when I drove Terry's MINI, I stalled. Embarrassing since that's the first time I've stalled in years! It was a combination of the clutch stop installed and mushy clutch. I got the catch point but nonetheless, embarrassing. Then today when I went to pick up my MINI, I pushed my clutch in and it felt like it was heavy as hell! Leaving Terry's I think I rev'd the **** outta it before I found the catch point. Took a bit of a drive to find my catch points again. Embarrassing again!

Anyways, driving home felt rather bland, 80 feels like the MINI has to work hard to maintain while the tune makes 80 feel like a walk in the park.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
I saw some video -- appears to me to be the transmission torque limiter and DME torque limiter at not in agreement.
so is there a way to make them play nice, hopefully w/o destroying the tranny?
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jomama
so is there a way to make them play nice, hopefully w/o destroying the tranny?
It is all in the programming.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 03:26 PM
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Gotta say, something about other MINIs' clutches and mine. Everyone else's clutch seems so mushy and soft. The other day when I drove Terry's MINI, I stalled. Embarrassing since that's the first time I've stalled in years! It was a combination of the clutch stop installed and mushy clutch. I got the catch point but nonetheless, embarrassing. Then today when I went to pick up my MINI, I pushed my clutch in and it felt like it was heavy as hell! Leaving Terry's I think I rev'd the **** outta it before I found the catch point. Took a bit of a drive to find my catch points again. Embarrassing again!

Anyways, driving home felt rather bland, 80 feels like the MINI has to work hard to maintain while the tune makes 80 feel like a walk in the park.
I noticed how hard your clutch was also. I assumed it was an aftermarket, lol.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 03:27 PM
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so is there a way to make them play nice, hopefully w/o destroying the tranny?
Sure. I doubt that issue would damage the tranny. They just don't have the right table yet in the flash file mapping to do what they are trying to do.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
I noticed how hard your clutch was also. I assumed it was an aftermarket, lol.
It's stock! That's for sure. Maybe it's becaus I have a factory LSD? Every other MINI I've driven has the exact same clutch feel as yours that I've driven with no LSD. I could be completely wrong.
 
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