Drivetrain RMW REMOTE TUNING FOR R56 testing next week
RUMM = Troll
nothing this guy's said adds up to anything more than a kid coming over from the Honda scene, modern European ecm's are so much more complex than the domestic systems and a good decade plus beyond the Asian units, comparisons to those systems are meaningless, not to mention the Mini and beyond that, the portion of the Mini market that's interested in modding their car for performance is TINY.
Jan didn't crack the ecu, but he has been decoding the bits and bytes that make up the tables within it. Think of your traditional ecm as reading from a spreadsheet, while the Mini uses a complex relational database (and it's VIN encrypted).
There are a few canned tunes out there, but you'll need to send in you ecm and you will NEVER see the sort of gains we've all been getting from Jans personal touch.
nothing this guy's said adds up to anything more than a kid coming over from the Honda scene, modern European ecm's are so much more complex than the domestic systems and a good decade plus beyond the Asian units, comparisons to those systems are meaningless, not to mention the Mini and beyond that, the portion of the Mini market that's interested in modding their car for performance is TINY.
Jan didn't crack the ecu, but he has been decoding the bits and bytes that make up the tables within it. Think of your traditional ecm as reading from a spreadsheet, while the Mini uses a complex relational database (and it's VIN encrypted).
There are a few canned tunes out there, but you'll need to send in you ecm and you will NEVER see the sort of gains we've all been getting from Jans personal touch.
RUMM = Troll
nothing this guy's said adds up to anything more than a kid coming over from the Honda scene, modern European ecm's are so much more complex than the domestic systems and a good decade plus beyond the Asian units, comparisons to those systems are meaningless, not to mention the Mini and beyond that, the portion of the Mini market that's interested in modding their car for performance is TINY.
Jan didn't crack the ecu, but he has been decoding the bits and bytes that make up the tables within it. Think of your traditional ecm as reading from a spreadsheet, while the Mini uses a complex relational database (and it's VIN encrypted).
There are a few canned tunes out there, but you'll need to send in you ecm and you will NEVER see the sort of gains we've all been getting from Jans personal touch.
nothing this guy's said adds up to anything more than a kid coming over from the Honda scene, modern European ecm's are so much more complex than the domestic systems and a good decade plus beyond the Asian units, comparisons to those systems are meaningless, not to mention the Mini and beyond that, the portion of the Mini market that's interested in modding their car for performance is TINY.
Jan didn't crack the ecu, but he has been decoding the bits and bytes that make up the tables within it. Think of your traditional ecm as reading from a spreadsheet, while the Mini uses a complex relational database (and it's VIN encrypted).
There are a few canned tunes out there, but you'll need to send in you ecm and you will NEVER see the sort of gains we've all been getting from Jans personal touch.
No, they don't have it wrong... BUT you can't compare a diesel tune to gasoline engine tune especially when you're comparing HP to Litre.
Everyone knows that the best tunes are done on the street on a laptop (for the guy that's trying to get the most out of his car and still drive it on the street)
The next best is the dyno. Last year I supercharged my H2 and since it's 4WD all the time, dyno choices are limited so you have to use a canned tune... I promise you I could squeeze another 20-30 HP out of it if I took it to the dyno.
In fact, I'll give you a better example. Year before last, I installed a Magnuson supercharger on my C5 Corvette. Magnuson supplies a tune that comes with the supercharger so I used it.
I dynoed the car after the tune and made 376WHP. I took it to the dyno and had them do what Jan does and it made 416WHP.
Canned tunes are great for a "one size fits all". It allows the manufactures to be safe for EVERYONE since no two cars are the same. They always leave 20-30HP on the table for a safety cushion.
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You guys are pretty funny about trolling, although I do find it a little disrespectful but I know this is the internet and that's how it goes. Its not unexpected from someone of Nitro's unrelenting know it all age. Look Nitro I respect that your a Master Tech but your attitude needs to come down a few notches, time will take care of that naturally.
Honda! Damn I wouldn't touch that brand with a ten foot pole as of late.
Diesel tuners was just a reference so why pick on just that one? The amount of time and effort and cost for the small additional gain on these cars makes no sense to go for the dyno tune. Now if you had a bigger turbo or head work or lower end work I could understand. Your reference to the Magnusen kit also makes sense because they need to be conservative with a supercharger kit on an NA car.
That's all right I'll just stick to my 1993 Supra TT if I want real power. But I still love the 33 MPG I get all around with my MCS but having another 20-30 HP/TQ when Jan decides to come to the Tri-State area, ok I'll drive 1-2 hours, will be awesome.
Stop being sooo dramatic! Other opinions are just as valid depending on the vehicles circumstances. I agree with most of your points to certain extent anyway.
Rumm
Honda! Damn I wouldn't touch that brand with a ten foot pole as of late.
Diesel tuners was just a reference so why pick on just that one? The amount of time and effort and cost for the small additional gain on these cars makes no sense to go for the dyno tune. Now if you had a bigger turbo or head work or lower end work I could understand. Your reference to the Magnusen kit also makes sense because they need to be conservative with a supercharger kit on an NA car.
That's all right I'll just stick to my 1993 Supra TT if I want real power. But I still love the 33 MPG I get all around with my MCS but having another 20-30 HP/TQ when Jan decides to come to the Tri-State area, ok I'll drive 1-2 hours, will be awesome.
Stop being sooo dramatic! Other opinions are just as valid depending on the vehicles circumstances. I agree with most of your points to certain extent anyway.
Rumm
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The point of making mention of these tuners by name and by etc., etc. was because they all do the exact opposite of what a few of you are prescribing. The type of engine these tuners make programs for makes no difference, so again that is why I questioned why you would single out a powerplant. It seems like perception of the point came out skewed here :-)
Rumm
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this thread has become very entertaining, but it actually makes me sad. not the arguing, but that i didn't get a turbo in the first place. i'll be lucky to get 120 WHP. problem, is i'm quite attached to mine despite its "flaws".
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Have no idea what the clubman looks like. I asked Eddie of 1fastmini about Scott's build and he thinks Central Florida Turbo is doing the development work .I do know that in talking to George at mini madness that the kit Scott is working on should come to market soon and is using Schrick cams.
...its in a fueling map...I have it, and it sounds bitchin!
Which reminds me....I am supposed to post a sound clip of it....
I'll see you guys there.....
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Very lumpy idle....sounds awesome.
As promised....the burble:
Since the Invidia is so deep and bassy...the burble is also, so if you don't have a good set of speakers you won't really hear it very well on the in-car vids. My camera is not ment for video either, but just wanted to share something at least! It sounds amazing in person.
On the outside acceleration clip I wanted you to hear it when I shift, as it burbles between each shift. Didn't come out so good, but you can hear it on the 1-2 shift.
Since the Invidia is so deep and bassy...the burble is also, so if you don't have a good set of speakers you won't really hear it very well on the in-car vids. My camera is not ment for video either, but just wanted to share something at least! It sounds amazing in person.
On the outside acceleration clip I wanted you to hear it when I shift, as it burbles between each shift. Didn't come out so good, but you can hear it on the 1-2 shift.
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What you are hearing is the valve opening high off the seat and slamming closed very fast. if you have long duration(lumpy) you are blowing boost out the exhaust port.Long duration cams have overlap where both intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time.
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As promised....the burble:
Since the Invidia is so deep and bassy...the burble is also, so if you don't have a good set of speakers you won't really hear it very well on the in-car vids. My camera is not ment for video either, but just wanted to share something at least! It sounds amazing in person.
On the outside acceleration clip I wanted you to hear it when I shift, as it burbles between each shift. Didn't come out so good, but you can hear it on the 1-2 shift.
Since the Invidia is so deep and bassy...the burble is also, so if you don't have a good set of speakers you won't really hear it very well on the in-car vids. My camera is not ment for video either, but just wanted to share something at least! It sounds amazing in person.
On the outside acceleration clip I wanted you to hear it when I shift, as it burbles between each shift. Didn't come out so good, but you can hear it on the 1-2 shift.
You should hear a jcw without a cat and the riss exhaust.
I built a 3cyl 1L turbo sprint up so it was pushing 200hp using a very lumpy cam, big valves, bigger turbo, and some high rpms.. but it definitely sacrificed around town drive-ability & was a bugger to get started.
Hey Thumper, thanks for the video, now to get Jan rolling out the remote tuning units !!