Drivetrain Turbo vs Supercharged MINIs - let's meet at the track, RMW!!!
Given the same engine long block, same driver, and same chassis/suspension, the turbo will almost always be quicker in terms of lap time [assuming a proper sized turbo is chosen and not something absurdly sized].
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
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Given the same engine long block, same driver, and same chassis/suspension, the turbo will almost always be quicker in terms of lap time [assuming a proper sized turbo is chosen and not something absurdly sized].
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
I think this sums it up really. Did you see my pic in the 15K thread? Car looks REALLY familiar doesnt it? Less a MCS engine... Hey Ryan...good point dood...
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:p opcorn:for the full pleasure.... enjoy
http://community.myride.com/_-BTS-of...5893/3898.html
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From an outsider like myself...it is the fact that in the mini modding world, RMW is the performance standard or reference. Hence all love and hate.
So, vendors out there are trying to achieve the same or even better the levels of performance set by RMW...yes?
As a MINI lover...this should be the way, and this all will make the MINI to achieve levels of performance out of this world.
p.s a few years ago, everyone is saying that the 1.6L motor in the MINI will max out at 200whp...NOW, numbers of 600whp???? Evolution I tell ya
So, vendors out there are trying to achieve the same or even better the levels of performance set by RMW...yes?
As a MINI lover...this should be the way, and this all will make the MINI to achieve levels of performance out of this world.
p.s a few years ago, everyone is saying that the 1.6L motor in the MINI will max out at 200whp...NOW, numbers of 600whp???? Evolution I tell ya
As bad slinging as it is, we are learning many things. It's actually entertaining to see the best and brightest showcase their skills. I'd love to see who'll win but my money is on the Turbo. This is like the great "Thrilla in Manila" match.
From an outsider like myself...it is the fact that in the mini modding world, RMW is the performance standard or reference. Hence all love and hate.
So, vendors out there are trying to achieve the same or even better the levels of performance set by RMW...yes?
As a MINI lover...this should be the way, and this all will make the MINI to achieve levels of performance out of this world.
p.s a few years ago, everyone is saying that the 1.6L motor in the MINI will max out at 200whp...NOW, numbers of 600whp???? Evolution I tell ya
So, vendors out there are trying to achieve the same or even better the levels of performance set by RMW...yes?
As a MINI lover...this should be the way, and this all will make the MINI to achieve levels of performance out of this world.
p.s a few years ago, everyone is saying that the 1.6L motor in the MINI will max out at 200whp...NOW, numbers of 600whp???? Evolution I tell ya
ON STREET TIRES......... Paul says he wants transparency
show that dyno of the thumper head on the dynapack that he ran... he admitted it was 3% difference... then we can overlay a PROPERLY DONE RMW car over it and you will see the difference
be sure you understand the situation
along the same lines, we can see why Jan never raced his "drag car" making only 365whp
.... sorry, Jan, couldn't resist.... but my point is it doesnt matter what the numbers are if they don't get you to what you are trying to achieve on the street/track.btw, i still think it would be great entertainment having two high HP MINIs line up at the strip.......
I don't have 13k to drop on axles to prove a point
especially when it will gain NOTHING in sales
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while you are at it.... ask Paul to explain to you how running the thumper head proves out..... he ran slicks on a gutted car that couldn't beat an RMW headed car on street tires..... ROFLMAO>...... 13.1 @ 108
ON STREET TIRES......... Paul says he wants transparency
show that dyno of the thumper head on the dynapack that he ran... he admitted it was 3% difference... then we can overlay a PROPERLY DONE RMW car over it and you will see the difference
be sure you understand the situation
ON STREET TIRES......... Paul says he wants transparency
show that dyno of the thumper head on the dynapack that he ran... he admitted it was 3% difference... then we can overlay a PROPERLY DONE RMW car over it and you will see the difference
be sure you understand the situation
and Im sure Paul will explain all this.....cos to be honest I dont know what your talking about..heheheh
All I see from the Dyno is that the TPR-2 Head did pretty well against the RMW BV Head, slicks or no slicks...for a Head that is sprecced less than RMW's BV head..you have to say it did pretty well..yes? no?
Will do Jan and Im sure Paul will explain all this.....
cos to be honest I dont know what your talking about..heheheh
All I see from the Dyno is that the TPR-2 Head did pretty well against the RMW BV Head, slicks or no slicks...for a Head that is sprecced less than RMW's BV head..you have to say it did pretty well..yes? no?
and Im sure Paul will explain all this.....cos to be honest I dont know what your talking about..heheheh
All I see from the Dyno is that the TPR-2 Head did pretty well against the RMW BV Head, slicks or no slicks...for a Head that is sprecced less than RMW's BV head..you have to say it did pretty well..yes? no?
like I said, have him show me the dyno on the dynapack and all questions will be answered
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Given the same engine long block, same driver, and same chassis/suspension, the turbo will almost always be quicker in terms of lap time [assuming a proper sized turbo is chosen and not something absurdly sized].
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
However, the supercharged or N/A application will always be more pure and satisfying to drive. Some people may fool themselves by claiming to like that "kick in the pants" the turbos boost threshold offers, however in the end an N/A engine is the only one that responds exactly in dance with your right foot, with superchargers close behind.
This whole thread is pointless to me. There are far too many variables for anyone to claim biggest junk in the pants. A fair comparison is identical cars with only the forced induction and ECU being different. In then end it doesn't prove anything we don't already know; superchargers aren't as efficient [unless you have a twin-screw] and turbos have lag.
Cheers,
Ryan
i was wondering how long it would take before you couldn't stand it anymore and jumped in. of course the whole thread quickly became pointless. as you clearly stated, this was never about proving something new....turbos will almost always be quicker.
i'm just happy there is finally some excitement in the community.
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If the battle of the beasts ever comes to fruition, let's make certain that we're putting the cars through their paces. A 20 lap heat doesn't prove anything. I want to know if a (street legal) car can last more than 3 hours under full load (a 24 hour enduro would be a real test).
I agree whole heartedly: lol:: nod::raz z::popco rn::p opcorn:
for the full pleasure.... enjoy
http://community.myride.com/_-BTS-of...5893/3898.html
: lol:: nod::raz z::popco rn::p opcorn:for the full pleasure.... enjoy
http://community.myride.com/_-BTS-of...5893/3898.html
I wasn't talking about being goofy back in the day with FBT...this is what i'm talking about...
...this MINI is no joke.