The great comming together :



Hope I don't get in trouble

 

This would be the friend I sold the GRS too He also will be sucked into the vortex known as a "Jan Tune" while down there with me
(Possible head, header etc. etc.)

 

Are these assuming that you'll be able to have the track to yourself for both sessions? Especially for the street tests, it seems like you'd have to have the track to yourself if you're cruising it at 70mph and coming to a full stop for a minute on the straight.

If you're doing the street test for 6-7 IC's, doing multiple tests, installing and unistalling between each IC, as well as allowing enough time for the car to cool down between each IC.....that may mean that you're gonna need to block out close to a full day on the track which may cause problems with the cost of this test.

Just something to think about.

 

Not really. Big Willow has open test Fridays. Coming to a full stop = pull into the hot pit.

 

Ok,

I knew this was going to turn into more than just "Send Rob some equipment and let him go to town"! And that fine

I am interested in running to the track and doing the testing there. Sounds like there is allot involved, more than people think if were going to test 5-6 intercoolers. I personally would not be able to get to Cali for 2-3 months either.

Time: - One FULL track day if not two it sounds like. Not sure if we can even have that much track time to ourselves. Whats the cost and who's paying?
- Getting 5-6 different I.C's together to test. Who's got em to donate?
I have a stock and M7DFICV2. My friend Roggenmini has a GRS.
He will have identical mods to mine when were there ( After he gets tuned by Jan that is). Having two cars would be covered.

What preparations do I personally need to make to run my car on a track?
Do I need a helmet?
Can I run Falken 912 all season tires?
Am I going to crash and die? Never been on a track

Personally I am still willing if Peter is, with sending me the gear and doing some "everyday" user testing on the three intercoolers I have access to.
I could do that in the next couple weeks. For those that have racing needs and wants. This testing will mean nothing. For those that want to see numbers from everyday "spirited" usage. I think it holds merit.

 

1. Yes
2. Possibly
3. Most likely. Please back up your data between runs. We don't want to do this again.

 

#3. HAHA! ...dude, are you saying I need an external hard drive too!

I have Toyo Proxy's on my 18's but those wheels are like boat anchors.

I don't own a helmet either.... I know its a sad state of affairs

 

A black box should do fine.

Whah??!!! Your are disqualified. NEXT!!!

 

I vote for this. I'm thinking only a small portion of people track their cars? Maybe 10-20%

 

I would like one stock car and one heavily modified. If I were to do the test, I would drill the horns so the TC's could be installed and left, then the IC's will come out fast.
If you change while other car is out, 1:40 at 5 laps, 10 minutes. 5 IC is an hour times two cars. If you do every thing twice for more data would be 4 hours. Might be a bit much. Would need to look as cars come off to see if a second round is needed.
Street portion would probably take the same amount of time.
I don't know how much track time is, Jan said something about a collection.
If I were running the test I was going to buy the data logging equipment for both vehicles, so they would be the same and fixed. With you guys doing it, I'm not sure what Peter has or how you will do the test.

 

Not sure this is an option for me man, I'm willing to do some testing, run around a track etc. but when it comes to drilling my horns just to test? Probably not going to happen. I might not be the guy for the job if stuff like that needs to happen.

I mean I like you guys and all but sheesh

 

I think most people that are interested in this test are people that have mainly "Bolt on Mods"

Unless I'm misunderstanding what your considering heavily modified

 

I'm just saying how I would do it. This is still yours and Peter's party at this point. You can do whatever you please.

 

One car 15%, CAI, exhaust
second car + head and tune.

 

Don't fight it. It will only hurt a little. Let us drill your car.

 

Ok I will be the second car, who want's to give me a big valve head

 

Drilling the horns is really the only way to do this. I drilled my IC and it's a pain to remove/reinstall with all the telemetry connected. You can do quick changes if it is connected to the horns.

Just do it...

 

I would like to see whatever data you can get for now. It's a start and I'm anxious to see what you come up with. Thanks for taking the time and, good for Peter for having the courage to step into this. This is a tough crowd!

 

Im in over my head then if drilling or modifying my car for this testing is needed. If someone wants to donate some drilled or non drilled IC horns that would work for me.

When doing some "road" testing on the three IC's I have access to was offered by Peter. I was more than willing to do that. I knew that kind of testing would be questionable by people so I even offered to go to Cali and run it on a track.

Now being told I need or should drill my horns and who knows what else. I'm not willing to do some of these things to my car. If we can make it work and come up with parts, tools and timeframes that work for everyone I'm down.

Until that time I'll be happy just getting some street numbers from a DFIC2, stock ic and a GRS in the meantime.


I guess I need to know "exactly" what is needed to even do the testing and to do it properly. I honestly have no idea

 

As I said before, I'm not trying to be a killjoy in this. But unless you have a replicable testing program with set paramters, slightly more than driving around on the street, you are probably only adding fuel to the fire.
Given a few weeks to clear my schedule of work for clients, I will probably perform much of this work myself. I will drill the horns, aquire the hardware, etc. to do this test. Hardest part is getting to the track and getting other impartial people involved considering everyones full schedules.

If you and Peter feel your testing will be helpful, by all means go ahead.

 

Well, I see your point about going ***** out on this thing believe me.

I actually think your car is to pimped to give readings for the masses of people with bolt ons looking for this information. For high horsepower cars that run hard and track, the testing you do will be more helpful for sure.

As far as the info I can gather my self running up canyons, around the freeways etc. I certainly think it will be helpful. More helpful than no numbers at all correct? Will it be all the information everyone that uses this forum is looking for? No. Will it be helpful? I believe it would be. I'm not sure there will be a way to do this that will make every person on the board happy. I'm certainly not against starting to lay some details out on the table however to see if things can get sorted.

Seriously tho, if everyone thinks it will cause more of a s***storm then we have now I would rather not waste my time to be honest. If people think there will be benefit I would be more than happy to donate my time and efforts.

 

How will you test the stock and GRS if there are no bungs for TC's?

 

I have a stock intercooler that I can drill or mod. The GRS I can't drill, its not mine.

Like I said, I have no idea what I'm doing or how to do it. I have no idea what measuring tools Peter or anyone has or how they work for that matter. Hearing from DrPhil that I had to drill my horns was the first time I heard that.

If you can't tell I'm a noob when it comes to data logging anything man

 

No offense meant, but let someone else step in here for the testing. Drilling your horns in really no big deal. Maybe your install a water/meth kit when you're done testing?! Why are you having objections to having the horns drilled? Trying to keep it stock???

 

I totally understand were Intense is coming from, drilling and modifying
his MINI is too much to expect from him. With that said I do have some probes that will make that discussion mote, they can be inserted in the airflow path with no drilling required. And I will also send him an infrared
thermometer so he can compare surface temps. The data logger is a 10 channel unit which will allow him to logg the outside temps at the same time.

Peter
m7 Tuning
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