yeah, I know. Tuls had a strong 03, I have seen a few 02s rip too. Like you said before some are better than others. Heck my GP only put down 180whp on the same dyno Longboards made 231whp with my head way back when

what's interesting though, if you take the highest hp cars we have done of the 250+ cars all have been 05/06 cars EXCEPT for Jacks. (see, there are exceptions to the rule )

I will throw in a few caveots though: of the others that made 250whp + those cars had rebuilt 1.6L that we put together for customers.

K5cruiser brought in a 2002 with 140k miles with a blown head gasket. We bored it .020 over , CP pistons, cam, head, pulley,header/exhaust and made 258whp. The best part is: if you saw this car coming it looks like the ultimate sleeper. Maybe Ed will post up some pics of the car if he sees this

 

well i for one would be very interested in this! i know there's a pita factor in taking the car to have everything done....but then fracky has his answer/peace of mind...and we have more data!! jan pays the fees? hard to beat that deal

 

I couldn't see who would have more data than I do. I have tuned more cars with all conceivable mods. I know by looking at his mods and knowing what I have seen on countless others what is causing some of his problems. The real problem is: Most will run something that hurts their performance if they think it looks cool. That's fine but don't expect the car to give 100% either

 

And I thought this was the MINI forums, not Lancia

 

Well, I was pretty clear that I'm not attacking anybody, I'm not disgruntled & I don't have my mind made up- that's why I asked for your thoughts, so I could say "oh, yeah that's probably it". As far as the Fresno dyno goes I think we've already established that. That's great you're willing to take my car apart to run tests, etc. When I do my big-valve head swap I might just do the with-RMW cam test & without-RMW cam test. I'll keep you posted.

Tuls, got nothing but respect for you mang but your comment is exactly the kind of "groovy RMW inner circle" statement I'm talking about. I'm not preaching in this thread. I have a RMW part, am posting in the pertinent RMW thread & asking a good customer question in that regard. For the good of the community, I'm sure other people would be interested in the answer for this matter v. me PM'ing for explanation.

 

So what are you saying? That everyone that wants to install a cam has to have the "cam manufacture" tune it? Yea right And BTW my car was tuned by this so called "guy who plays with software for fun" and he spent a couple hours on it and it run FANTASTIC!!!!! You know we too are sick and tired of the BS here also, but then again I only drive my car everyday, I don't manufacture anything on it or track it or drag it, so obviuosly I don't know jack Dang it, I thought I left this thread on good terms too, oh well .

 

yeah that's what I said... sigh

but in THIS case, Jan has designed these things to work a certain way, and tuning them is more than playing with software. Knowledge matters and the expirence that goes with it matters more

I never said you dont know anything so stop acting like a child. The fact is. I have known emil since before Jan. I never got into dimsport cuase of his lack of knowledge made me feel Dimsport was lacking. Turns out I was wrong. Jan took the time and money to prove me wrong about that.

If you think your car runs "fantastic" now. Imagine if it was done right.


Let's see yer sheet, I am curious to see how fantastic yer car is running. And yes it matters, I can tell allot from a dyno sheet.

Edit: you know I dont really like getting into this stuff. But what's funny is Jan WAS the underdog, the one who was booted from boards for telling the truth. Yet here he is now. Pretty much the ONLY one doing it "on the level" everyone else plays games, no data, no sheets, no proof that what they are doing does anything. Just bs and harassment. That's why I keep saying PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Yet the blathering just keeps on keeping on. If you think what he does doesnt work. Then do what he did. Be the quiet guy (banned or not) who comes in with a better system and a better product.

 

Okay Mr. Car Man I will bow to your expertise And I'm not a child, but I do have two of them, how bout you?

 

how about we shift gears here. How much does a Shrick cam cost? MiniMania has it for $700 or so right? Anybody have one and switched to the RMW? Seems from the results I've seen posted, the Schrick was only worth 2-3hp while the RMW cam was good for 8-10, doesn't need the spark plug tubes clearanced AND costs less. Win/win/win?

 

If you understand why do you keep contradicting yourself? Stop comparing your car to another. As stated before it's all about the delta (no not the Lancia ).

 

Mr. Car Man? I mean come on. There you go again, I didnt say you WERE a child. But you sure are acting like one. WTF does you having kids have to do with a DYNO sheet.

While I know I dont know everything. I'm not the one running off at the mouth about things that I DON'T know about.

This goes for everyone. PUT UP OR SHUT UP

Oh dont you start using logic too! Then what will these guys do. God forbid we have intelligent conversations.

 

I thought I made it quite clear :

that I would prove the cam works? why the arguing?

 

does Jan's cam help with torque as well? Anyone know what the average garage who works on Minis would charge for the install (or even the estimated time it would take to do it)? I am looking for more out of my car and I think injectors and cam would be the next step (head is too much atm)

 

yes the cam is for torque, hp is the by product

labor varies greatly
should take about 1-2hrs based on the skill of the mechanic

 

reason why I ask is because I have seen a few dynos where cars are putting down around 240whp and yet only about 195 lbs of torque. They have 33ish more whp than my car yet only 3ish lbs of torque more.

 

do you care about the peak number or how flat the curve is?

 

each dyno is different and each car is different. I have been on numerous dynos where hp reads low but torque high, next dyno has low torque and high hp numbers

but dynoing on the same dyno and adding parts one by one its very easy to show the gains. This is why we recommend doing before and afters on the SAME DYNO

 

I believe Jan tuned mine to be pretty flat. I want more across the board.

 

crappy pic of dyno chart (too lazy to scan it)

 

header/cam works best for increasing it over the stock setup
you do have a factory "freak" though

 

Ummm..because I'm not contradicting myself. My post was "I understand that no two cars are alike, but if your strong argument is "the cam works, it's been tested over and over" then it's safe to assume (by your written logic) that a RMW cam should be out producing a stock cam." The two cars have been dyno'd before & shown to be as close to a dead match as possible. Therefore the aforementioned statement should hold true.

I'm outta this thread & for what it's worth in regards to the fanboi'ing I'm completely sick of it. As a consumer my protest is with my checkbook. I'm writing checks for a new coilover suspension, etc. & big-valve head. It certainly won't be for Cross or RMW head & my main reason is due to perception and the manner in which all of stuff goes down. It doesn't bother me at all to spend more, as long as I'm not funding this behavior. That's my perogative & I'm exercising it.

 

it is "prerogative"

grammar police out....

Jan I will look into having the header/cam/exhaust (still using OEM) during this winter. Hopefully we can get you back here next spring to re-tune again.

 

you are welcome to exercise your right

it just seems fishy when I offer to show you the cam really works you post stuff like that...... seems like an ulterior motive to me

what other vendor would offer to do this free of charge?

 

actually searocko did very well with the stock exhaust
it was just cam/shorty header/380cc/15%/tune made 215whp on the dyno in Seattle. It was the 3rd highest number there. Both other cars had heads

his car pre header/cam was 184whp

 

Fracky, Jan made you a totally legitimate offer, to test your car on the same dyno with a stock cam and the RMW cam, at his own expense. What more do you want? Everything else is conjecture, this is the absolute litmus test. Not only will you see the numbers yourself, Jan MIGHT be able to figure out if something else is amiss with your car, and get you headed back in the right direction. Its worth the effort for that alone. Its beyond me why you wouldn't take him up on this.

Does RMW have fanboys? Absolutely, but I think what you'll find is a number of the so called fanboys were initially hardcore skeptics, and knowledgable ones at that, who have been won over. Can other tuners get performance gains out of a MINI? Absolutely, but from following these boards, it really appears RMW does it simpler, cheaper, and more reliably. There is a reason for the popularity; Jan literally came from the bottom of the heap and scrapped to the top. I respect what he's done, who else has tuned as many cars and go through so much trial and error? The one thing that I'm absolutely confident of is if I do something through RMW, I will see performance gains, and at a reasonable price. If you want to do things piecemeal, thats fine, but make darned sure you know exactly what you're doing. I don't have enough knowledge myself to take a chance like that.

It your dollar, and spend it where you want, but you've been made a generous offer that would settle this once and for all, and you're ignoring it. I have a hard time feeling sorry for you....