I belive it is a good deal. It has as much of both ends of the stick & still fit under the hood. The fab time.... without cutting 1 in half to see the inside, the outside is time consumeing enough...... If it works as they say, it would be hard to get those numbers for that kind of $$$

 

I have a Kavs motorsport water to air intercooler and I am very happy with it.

For street driving is the best choice. You have full cooling even at lower speeds. Car is just great. Much more resposive compare with OEM air to air.

I will never go back to AtA system.

 

The Grey Mini "T" uses W2A

 

i have the MM W2A and my iat's are never more than 20 degrees over ambient even when it's 109 here in tucson. all data is from my scangaugeII.
even after 3 hrs no heat soak.

 

let's go further ...it's said that karen carpenter was a mini owner looking to hit the magic number !!! ohhhhhh.

 

There is no info about W2A heat saok that I have found. My guess is you may never see it. If there was a big problem you would know pretty quick, there's not much relief, heat, even when the sun goes down.You make a good argument for W2A.

Heat soak is what exactly? When the IC reaches engine temp, say +200f? Even a reasonablely simple W2A would not reach this temp if used under the same conditions as the available A2A ICs ( in the south west or the cross bronx, around 4pm, in late july ).

 

The fan you reference adresses the radiator bot not the IC. Even placing a fan above and amied at the IC does very little.

For our local Dyno days what my son did was to take a cardboard box that would fit on top of the IC (duct tape in place), attach dryer tubing and connect to a leaf blower this creates pressurized air and forces the air
THRU the IC. When we first brought it out for the first dyno day we got giggles but this contraption showed a 2hp gain on the cars second dyno run and after that everyone wanted it hooked up.

some pics are here http://www.motoringfun.com/2007/05/2...no-day-part-2/

 

Well apples and oranges...With the gintani system you also get an integrated intake manifold, which removes the dramatic turns in the intake system. The manifold is an exact cast of the orinial. Does that other sytem come with that?

Which intercooler was on the RMW 251 HP mini?

 

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Which intercooler was on the RMW 251 HP mini?[/QUOTE]


well, the dfic was on longboards 231whp car with stock ecu and I wouldn't recommend that intercooler over the stock. The common denominator to the big numbers are RMW parts not someones intercooler.

However, with that said I do believe there is much conjecture by people who have never even tested the w2air intercoolers vs the air to air units. My main beef with the gintani is the staggering price . I will be testing a laminova w2air IC late next week. The core has much less pressure drop than the gintani and the price is much more digestible.

 

"My main beef with the gintani is the staggering price . I will be testing a laminova w2air IC late next week. The core has much less pressure drop than the gintani and the price is much more digestible."

Jan, you got the 2 biggies covered, presure drop & cost. Here's hoping the Laminova is a winner.....

 

thanks Steve!

I want to bring superior products with great pricing to the Mini community.

Laminova is regarded aa the best core that you can use. I will be posting a bunch of data over the coming weeks.

 

The design looks to be a good 1.

Boost. There is a kind of mispreception of where it goes, loss, via core restriction or precieved loss through system restriction ( high flow head, low restriction exhaust ). The boost is still there no mater how you measure it & the same volume of air is being pumped from the SC. Loss from the IC core is not desireable even if the IATs are lower IMHO. The Laminova looks to have little to not measureable core loss. The AC part, of their offering looks, to be the 1 although with the room under the Mini hood...........

 

It should be noted that the pressure drop across a Gintani unit has been measured at 0.3 psi with a flow rate of 650 cfm! The in situ flow rates are obviously much lower, but the point is that the pressure delta is indeed very low. Also, the length of the path from supercharger to intake ports is drastically reduced with the Gintani system.

There's no question that the Laminova intercooler has tremendous potential, and I look forward to some very nice results when RMW has completed it's R & D.

Motor on...

 

Has anyone have any piks of the Laminova intercooler?

 

I do but it is up to Jan to share.

Longboard

 

Just do a search. These have been around for a while.
I'll bet that Jan is doing a special build for the Mini & you won't see it until it's done & working to his satisfaction.

 

Randy,
I will mail them to you.

jan

 

Bob,

This data has never been seen by anyone but was told by Osh. I would love to see it , but based on the boost readings I have from 2 different systems I doubt that is the case.

 

Can you send them to me as well?

 

see what you started ? now the laminated is the hot item !!!!

 

Not until it is tested and shows that it really works.

Longboard

 

This was a bit confusing . Johan asked about Danny's car that put down the 251 and you come back with info about a entirely different car? I dont know how that had any bearing on the question asked. Also it looks like your earlier statement ,

" I don't care to really comment on other peoples products or set ups."

only applies to certain vendors. The question that Johan asked was a simple one , was the Gintani on DANNY's car at the time of the 251 pull?

 

also, what does the 251hp car run in the 1/4... i prefer strip dynos

 

Trackster,

Danny tried many times to break 200 with the Gintani IC, Gintani header, custom software tunes and two different cylinder heads. He never broke 200 until he added RMW's Head and header. I think thats the point Jan is trying to make.

Yes he had the Gintani on during the 251 Dyno. But, it had nothing to do with the numbers.

Longboard

 

I really do not see how 22 hp can be shown as nothing ?

And as Danny posted earlier :

And It dynoed @ 176 back over two years ago.
Then with a Gintani intercooler got 198.

If the gain from the Gintani was taken from the equation the 251 would net down to 229 which is in the stock valve head territory . I know it is not as simple as that and maby vary one or two HP but you get the drift and by avoiding it so do we. I really do not think that Jan misread Johans post but I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt again .