Drivetrain Intercoolers
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The weight is a issue and is at least 10 to 15 lbs . The water alone is close to eight per gallon. If you do not have at LEAST a gallon in the loop you will attain heat soak way to fast. Add in the completely enclosed IC ,hoses, clamps additional radiator etc and you only get 5 to 7? Must be that new math .
Randy
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Randy
M7 Tuning
10 to 15 LBS isn't going to mean anything. For every 100 LBS you lose or Gain you lose or gain 1 tenth of a sec in overall speed. So if your car can run 14.00 in the 1/4. You'll run 14.015 with the extral weight. I'm pretty sure the 29hp that MarioKart lost due to heat soake will make up for the time difference.
Chris
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the 22hp that we gained to the wheels was also a nice addition...
also, what if that 15lbs (which it isn't) is over the front tires... which aids in traction... then perhaps your 1/4 mile time might differ by .0149 or .01499 traction is important too!
also, what if that 15lbs (which it isn't) is over the front tires... which aids in traction... then perhaps your 1/4 mile time might differ by .0149 or .01499 traction is important too!
My Air/water is being made right now and should be in my hands next week, once the powedercoating is done. I'm have only heard great things from the owners and from my test drive, even the hot side was cool to the touch. I know heat is a huge hp killer on our cars. My Mini dyno'd at 234whp with a air/air, the second run was 205whp and the third was 185whp. The Air/water wont make me hp but it will help me keep what I got.
They are not cheap but I'm running out of options to make HP, I need to save a lot more penny's to get my turbo only kit.
mario
They are not cheap but I'm running out of options to make HP, I need to save a lot more penny's to get my turbo only kit.
mario
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Glad to see we are on the same page.
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man up and just use nitrous! its totally safe! it really is!
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I've ran NOS on afew cars. I just don't know how I feel about running it on the MINI with those narrow *** tires on it.
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just spray it on the intercooler!!!!!!! it works sooooooooo well!
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That's a nice set up. The top mount looks almost identical to the GRS a2a unit I have accept for the 2 flanges (air divertor) on top.
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Most dynos I've worked with, we always placed a huge fan in front of the car. Otherwise the car won't handle more than a run or two, before it overheats
I ordered the Mini Madness A/W. Who makes the one you posted a pic of? How much?
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
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NICE!
thats the one i used... the only thing that i would change other than a cap to the overflow tank is... change the mounting of the water pump. it tells you to attach it to the splash shield... i wasn't down with that... especially with all of the blown out (tire gators) tires on the freeways here in AZ. I mounted mine her the driver side headlight. it made the wiring a breeze.
NICE!
thats the one i used... the only thing that i would change other than a cap to the overflow tank is... change the mounting of the water pump. it tells you to attach it to the splash shield... i wasn't down with that... especially with all of the blown out (tire gators) tires on the freeways here in AZ. I mounted mine her the driver side headlight. it made the wiring a breeze.
thats the one i used... the only thing that i would change other than a cap to the overflow tank is... change the mounting of the water pump. it tells you to attach it to the splash shield... i wasn't down with that... especially with all of the blown out (tire gators) tires on the freeways here in AZ. I mounted mine her the driver side headlight. it made the wiring a breeze.
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
It's from Pace in the UK. It's the only air and water combo on the market. The claimed HP is very nice if true. I checked it out. The cost was
$2000.00 + shipping.Longboard
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That's a similar sytem I was planning on getting but the $2k was just too much to bare.
Put the -220 degrees inside !!!
I think putting it in is safe with the systems now available. You would find your intercooler, if NOS was sprayed inside at the outlet of the supercharger,(only @ WOT) to be colder than ambient.
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Ok we have 2 cars, 1 with an A2A, the other with a W2A. They both are on the cross Bronx expressway at 4:30pm on a Friday afternoonin late July.
The A2A car will heat soak in just a few minutes. The amount of energy needed to heat soak, even the biggest A2A, top mount IC is minimal compaired to a W2A.
The W2A car will take much longer to heat soak & what temp is considered heat soak. IAT, with a W2A, may never reach the the same IAT as A2A at high ambient or as low at low ambient. But.......
Bottom line, the W2A will diliver a lower average IAT. The argument has been made that the efficency of the W2A is not as high as A2A, true. 1 is an active system the other passive, passive wins no mater what the numbers. Passive looses in terms of absolute numbers, high or low. When the sun's not out the coal plant is making juce not your collector pannel on the roof.
So if you are on the Cross Bronx expressway at 4:30pm on a Friday afternoon in late July, you'll need to decide if you need the extra power & the added cost of a W2A, so if, this is a big if, the opertunity presents itself to accelerate to more than 8mph, you got the horses to do it. On the other hand, if I lived in the southwest, my son lives in Tucson, W2A would, most diffinately, be the best W2A I could afford.
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I spoke with GRS and for the track he does not recommend his W2A for the reasons previously mentioned.... Typically when I'm in traffic creeping along the extra whp makes no difference.... I also am not sure about the extra plumbing.... there is something pulling me toward W2A but there may be some improvements made in the current A2A units.....
I am glad this thread is running as I hope to learn a lot
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You are trying to compare apples to rhubarb. Track driving/racing with sustained speeds and very high revs, as in F1 and IRL, is quite different from the type of driving that most of us do.
If your car is going to be a dedicated race car or on the track a lot, then, IMO, you might lean towards one of the better air-to-air intercoolers. However, a good water-to-air intercooler, e.g., the Gintani system, the Madness unit or others, might be a good choice for spirited city/highway/canyon driving. With that said, the water-to-air intercoolers have been used quite successfully in MINI's on the track.
You need to decide the kind of driving you'll be doing, your budget and aesthetic views. After that, pick an IC that best suits your requirements. If you're like a lot of the people on this forum, most of the aftermarket products should be o.k. Again, IMO, the stock intercooler, perhaps with better connecting boots, is a more-than-adequate unit for the majority of our driving needs.
Good luck...
If your car is going to be a dedicated race car or on the track a lot, then, IMO, you might lean towards one of the better air-to-air intercoolers. However, a good water-to-air intercooler, e.g., the Gintani system, the Madness unit or others, might be a good choice for spirited city/highway/canyon driving. With that said, the water-to-air intercoolers have been used quite successfully in MINI's on the track.
You need to decide the kind of driving you'll be doing, your budget and aesthetic views. After that, pick an IC that best suits your requirements. If you're like a lot of the people on this forum, most of the aftermarket products should be o.k. Again, IMO, the stock intercooler, perhaps with better connecting boots, is a more-than-adequate unit for the majority of our driving needs.
Good luck...
One thing to keep in mind when considering a water-to-air intercooler, such as the Gintani system, is the net gain in weight. It should be noted that the stock intercooler, plenums, boots and intake manifold are removed when the Gintani system is used. In my car the net gain, including 1.5 gallons of cooling water, was about 20 pounds. IMO, when calculating power-to-weight ratios, the small additional weight is truly trivial.
Cheers...
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Great info guys, looks like I started something here. It still seems pretty open and personal, the route to take. I forgot to add that I am in Dallas, TX, so that may swing it one way perhaps. Don't do a lot of track work, just play on the roads some.
Anybody tried the new M7 with the gel heat blanket?
Anybody tried the new M7 with the gel heat blanket?
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Sounds like a deal when compared to the Gintani, which I belive is $3500.00 + shipping.