I think there are a few issues people would like to know about, so I'll do my best to ask direct questions, so direct answers can be given, if nothing else, its because I want to know.

1. Was it the RMW 251.72whp car that was "iced" to get that figure?
2. If it was "iced", then what was the bhp/whp without the ice or an IC spray?
3. Is the car currently tuned, or running a stock map with higher rev limit?
4. What was the bhp/whp when it was just a stock map with raised rev limit?
5. If it is now tuned, who has done the tune and what difference has it made to bhp/whp?

Dont mean to be a pain or join in with flaming, I curious as to what the answers are.

 

As i said earlier Bhozar the best thing for Danny and Longboard is say bollox to the dyno and get to their local track and light them scoreboards and weigh them, then go to the dyno just to show off.

Thats the nice thing that you BRMcooper, Crofty,Lucky Dave,Brettles and myself were at the same track on the same day.

If we could of weighed all those cars we could have worked out who had what and who hasnt in the Real World Horse Power stakes, I know we were in the hasn't category that day.

 

[SIZE=2]WOW I don't understand why there is so much confusion. Maybe it's the fact that English is my second language or that people just don't want to digest the fact that Jan's parts actually make power. I will explain what happened once again. My car had another vendors head header pistons and all the other things that we do to the mini like the exhaust pulley etc. I was never able to break 200whp even at 8000rpm. I went to Jan for parts and got his head header and pistons and built my motor. I went and got a flash on my car to what at the time I thought was a stock map with a raised rev limit to 7800rpm. When we hit the 251 it was said that the tune made the power and not the parts. I don't know why this was said, but I am seeing that people don't want believe Jan's parts make power or they think what parts they have on there car is the best. Improvements are made on everything everyday all around the world. The head or product you bought two years ago is out dated now and improvements have been made. I understand you might have spent a lot of money back then on whatever it was but there is something BETTER out now. Anyways, I wanted to clear this issue up about what mnade the power. I went to the dealer and got my ECU reprogramed. Meaning they put the stock software in the car or however else you want to word it. I went and got another dyno run and the run concluded that the stock map car had more hp and toruw under 5000rpm. then from 5000-6800 the stock maped dyno had only 4.5 hp less then the so called special tune I had on my car. This dyno graph comparing both runs has been posted up many times and should be very clear. Bottom line a car that couln't make 200whp at 8000rpm no matter what tune or head was on it is now making 214whp at 6800rpm with no tune. We will be getting a tune and the parts back on the car and reach for higher goals, but until then I don't know how else to say what happened. If anyone is still confused please feel free to call me anytime and I will do my best to clear up anything up.
Thanks,
Danny D
MINICORSA
818-994-0338
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BHP is for when youre talking bollocks over a pint in the pub. (no offence, thats what were supposed to do as men)

Engines come out of MINI's fairly easy, maybe the tuners need to stump up the cash to use a propper engine dyno so we get real BHP figures? Just a thought, even if it is an expensive one.

Failing that, it does seem like the stip is the best option, as the different dynos dont seem to be a good benchmark. And thats even if the operators keep things level rather than tapping brakes or other guff that can skew results.

 

Well the above has killed this thread then LOL, off topic but whats your first lanugage then Danny??

 

1. Was it the RMW 251.72whp car that was "iced" to get that figure?
2. If it was "iced", then what was the bhp/whp without the ice or an IC spray?
3. Is the car currently tuned, or running a stock map with higher rev limit? Stock Map
4. What was the bhp/whp when it was just a stock map with raised rev limit? 214whp
5. If it is now tuned, who has done the tune and what difference has it made to bhp/whp?

So 2 out of 5 questions answered.

Thanks for putting what happend, as its all a bit confusing piecing together bits out of different threads. I would still like to know the answers to the other questions though.

 

£500 a day Bhozer, the biggest problem is the electronics, but you could do a stand alone fairly easy, u up for it??

 

Sure, you paying for it

 

Nope I'd rather go the dragstrip and have some frustration Imean fun

 

As far as I understand...it has always had stock tune until it was handled by Emil...I believe it is back to stock again...

 

I guess, I was there the day Danny and I both had our cars tuned with custom flash's by Emil. Oh, well at least he got 251whp, that what I want, only 17whp to go.
M

 

Armenian but i have picked up arabic and turkish it kinda comes and goes if i'm around it

 

and what did Danny pull that day?

200whp?

 

I have had many other tunes by different tuners on my car this is actually the first time since the car was new that i have stock tuning in it.

 

So the first post in this thread is totally wrong? What is said there is not correct, correct?

 

Can you please post what parts are on the car to make 214whp?
RMW head? header? exhaust? pulley size? CAI?
What parts are you referring to here?

 

yea 200whp and 145ish torque

 

The Jesus people are saying that Emil is the fall guy in this soap opera?

 

Let me put some facts on the table:

1. Danny's car was tuned by me for with his previous setup, which had the stage 2 fireball head with 1mm oversize valves. See his e-mail below…

From: danny@minicorsa.com [mailto:danny@minicorsa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Emil
Subject: Re: Hey Danny
HELLO I FINALLY HAVE YOUR EMAIL HAPPY EASTER TO YOU TOO. I HAVEN'T WRITEN ONE OF THESE BEFORE BUT HERE GOES. LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT THINGS CHANGED.


My car was unable to be worked on. I went to other tuners and they couldn't get into my ECU. Another tuner was soldering and desoldering my chips and the whole chip thing wa dsa mess and then Emil came ot the rescue he not only properly tuned my car but tuned it to my desired outcome as far as egt boost delivery responce time, overall performance and smoothness. now i can drive my MINI everyday with no issues of not starting or flat spots and consistant reliable performance. he made an unfortunate desighn flaw pistons work with no pinging. Great job and thanks a bunch Emil.

you can change emil with vitesse or whatever let me know.
----- Original Message -----
From: Emil
To: danny@minicorsa.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: Hey Danny
Happy Easter Buddy!

When you have time could you please write a short recommendation letter for me (one paragraph will be enough) so I can put it on my web site when it’s made or post it in a few forums.
Thanks,
Emil

2. jan hires Danny (new business - Minicorsa) to do his installs for him because no other reputable shop would touch him around here because of all the bridges he’s burned with everyone.

3. Danny tells me he’s going to install jan’s head and other parts on his car while he had my tune for his previous setup in his car. I told Danny the tune in his car is optimized for his previous setup and that he will run lean, so the fueling needs to be adjusted. I told him to keep an eye on the air to fuel ratio until we got together to adjust the fuel. Danny has a pre-cat wide band o2 system installed on his car so he sees the air to fuel ratio coming out of the engine before the excess fuel gets burned by the cat. I ask Danny a number of times what the air to fuel ratio was and he replied it seems to be fine and it wasn’t lean based on his in car meter. Post cat air to fuel ratio is what a dyno measures. The pre-cat values are around .4 to .5 points richer in general and are what actually comes out of the engine before the catalyst burns the excess fuel, showing a leaner value.

4. Danny comes about a few days later asking me to put MarioKart’s tune in his car (I had forgotten that he asked me that). I told him I can’t do that but his program is similar to Mario’s. I richened his fuel a bit. He said he was going to get his car dynoed the next day or two to see what it does.

5. Danny posts 235 with a 19% pulley and then slightly lower with a 15% pulley. We talk after he posts his results and I told him I am going to announce that it was my tune in the car. Danny said ok but he is going deny any knowledge of it because he didn’t want to get in the middle of me and jan … and that jan is his meal ticket for now and he doesn’t want to **** him off. But he said he would still like to sell my flash on the side. I told him fine, deny it so you don’t get hurt in between us. ---- I was not able to post that my tune was on Danny’s car before the moderator deleted the post (even though Ii tried and wrote to the moderator… I have e-mail records of this), so I regretfully let it go.

6. My tune WAS on Danny’s car when he pulled his “stunt” with icing his car, no doubt under Jan’s suggestion, to get to 250 HP. Both Danny and jan are at fault for not coming clean with this and leading people on.

7. jan keeps harping about the mixture being lean… let me tell you something mr so called tuner. First of all when you super cool the intake air the charge density goes up and you automatically run lean because the fueling maps are not optimized for that setup. Second the post catalyst air to fuel ratios are leaner than pre-catalyst and this is what dyno measures. The true air to fuel ratio measurement needs to be made before the catalytic converter. The lean mixture was of your own doing by supercooling the gintany cooler with bags of ice. Only if you had a clue jan! So with this “stunt” you were hoping to chalk up the Hp gains to your hardware. Sorry to disappoint. But you managed to drag an innocent’s person’s reputation, Danny, thru the mud, just like your reputation.

8. Danny calls me the next day after the 251 hp announcement and says he’d like to return the car to stock to do an apple to apple comparison. I told him go to the dealer and get it flashed. But beware that this won’t be an apple to apple comparison because the code the factory puts in there is different in many aspects, including much more aggressive timing.

9. Bottom line is: I had my tune on Danny’s car on all the past dyno runs since we started working together with the exception of the last one. His post catalytic lean measurements was due to his own ignorance and hands, although his pre cat values should have been in the 12.8 a/f range (theory says 12.8 is where max power occurs on IC engines). His apple to apple comparison isn’t worth a crap. Both you and Danny have been trying to cover this up and blaming other people for your own ignorance.

 

rmw head
rmw header
rms pistons
webb intake
gintani air-water cooler
15% s/c + 2% crank
3" exhaust
05 s/c
05 tranny
rps clutch flywheel
schrick cam

 

WOW.

Who needs reality TV when you have NAM...

 

Emil then if the car was tuned why is my torque and whp higher with stock tuning under 5000rpm and only 4hp less then "tuned" at 6800rpm. shouldn't a tune giv e alot more hp and torque? and my egts are nearlty 200 degrees cooler and a/f is 2 values richer.

i just have a problem with you refuseing to believe Jan's parts made power. And you believe the gain was from your tune just becuase you two have your differances. You have turned this into a personal issue and brought in a third party (me) along and thrashed them just because you and another tuner don't get along. I don't like buisnes like this. I'm in this to have fun and reach goals and this type of thing thats going on is not right.

 

Emil, thanks for the lesson today its really useful, I can see me spending more time on the dyno tomorrow

 

Alrighty then.
Thank you very much for posting and letting us know what really went down, of the three vendors involved here, you seem to be the only one that actually knows what is going on.

I think the NAM/MINI community will look at RMW and MINICORSA a little different now.

 

So you really got that from that? LOL

I won't stoop to Emil's level and post all of the nasty emails he sent around the Mini community talking trash about me and then having the audacity to say no one will work with me.... classic

I am sure Dimsport must be proud of your antics.

The truth will be known soon enough.