only 'cause I am a softy....

 

True dat

 

 

Randy,

Need some feedback. Ive read this and all the other posts on your bar, and it sounds excellent. But heres what my thoughts are:

My JCW car with JCW suspension (soon to be delivered) will need some more rear sway, Im sure of it. I have an R32 now, and I had an H&R bar put in that car to take out some of teh understeer and it was perfect. I plan on using my car as a daily driver in the Oakland, CA hills, and 20 HPDE/club track days a year, but Im not racing for cash. But I do hold a competition license, so Im not a noobie. You market this as a street upgrade as well...or is this really for the hardcore track addicts? I'm not super mechanical, but I can change tires and brakes, that sort of thing. Not sure I want to have to "adjust" all the time, but like the flexability that your bar gives me. Guess what Im asking is, is this bar too much for my needs? How hard is it to make the adjustments? It looks like a top notch pro component. One of the reasons I went all factory JCW was to simplfy my experience. I want the performance, but dont have teh time or skill to do all the work myself. I dont want to be making changes on the fly only to send myself into the "drifter" class of trackday driver...would I be getting in over my head?

Also, if this is the right choice for me, how to get it installed and when? (Im Bay Area based, will meet you at Laguna )

Thanks in advance. your stuff seems to be tops and you have dealt with this feedback very well from a customer perspective..

Matt

 

Matt,

As an aside, I've got the JCW Suspension with Randy's Extreme Bar. I love it, and when I start autocrossing here in the near future (or tracking the car), I have the ability to "tune" it to my skill level.

Your question was the exact same one I had for Randy - and the ability to have the bar "grow" with my skill level is what made me choose it.

Doug

 

I can answer a couple of your questions given my experience with the bar. First of all, if you can change wheels/tires, brake pads and the like, then you are beyond mechanically adept enough to adjust the bar. It's simply a matter of lifting the rear of the car with a jack/jackstands, unbolting the rear wheels, taking two 17mm wrenches to loosen the adjustment bolts on the endlinks, sliding it to the setting you want, and retorqueing the bolts that attach the drop link to the end link.

I will probably do 5-6 track events this year (no racing - although I'd love to ) and the rest street driving, and consider the bar perfect for my needs...

And to reinforce earlier responses, there are no noise issues at all with the current design because it allows for some adjustment of the bar relative to the body/rear subframe/suspension pieces to account for the (rather liberal) manufacturing tolerances on our cars.

 

Thanks for the feedback, so Im thinking this is a good option for me once I get my cooper. Any feedback from the Webb team on when and where I can get the install done?

 

Bay Bridge Motors, and I will be there at the end of May. If you don't want to attend a Pulley Party, they are more than capable of doing the install for you.

It sounds like you had all of your questions answered, but let me know if you have any more.

Thanks!
Randy

 

Cool Randy, thanks!

I've messed with those guys before, their MINI and my R32 played together along some backraods in Emeryville once before.

If you are coming at the end of May, Ill wait till then. It will give me some time to sort out the stock setup so I can better apprecaite your improvement.

I'll look at your site to get on a mailing list, but please keep me posted on your trip. Look forward to meeting you.

Matt

 

front bar on the way?

 

I doubt it ... checkout - http://store.webbmotorsports.com/ind...bb1c8f35c460a9

 

was pretty much aimed at Randy.

 

I realize that ... Randy wrote the FAQ I gave you the url too

 

They eventually make one. It makes sence to make the rear one first.

 

No.... front swaybars are not neccessary, even for most race cars. I am running a stocker. Also fronts are a long install, so that makes it less attractive to most do it yourselfers.

-Brian

 

having both would give you more adjustibility.

 

I must disagree, even though I have the extreme bar on order, it's not stiff enough to be used with any of the upsized front bars. Since his rear bar is infinitely adjustable from softer than stock to +348% I feel it's an excellent choice for a stock front bar or a slightly down sized front bar like the MC's 22.5mm but not a larger bar.

 

 

I would certainly disagree with such a generalized statement as this.

Too many people seem to have "the" recipe for how to set up a Mini's suspension. I usually just read these and just move on to another thread, ....

 

further.

 

Notice I said "most". It may work for some, but 90% of the people who are going to be buying our bar will not need a front.

And I dont recall saying this is "the" recipe. All I am trying to do is save people some money.

So Onasled, are you comming out to Summit Point to show us the correct recipe?

-Brian

 

Oh snap!

Back OT, I softened mine up today in prep for the AutoX tomorrow. running almost full stiff was inducing way too much oversteer. Unfortunately now I can't try it out as my little one, and my wife, are sick

 

matching front bar. I like to run my suspension on the stiff side as long as I can keep a good balance. I think the stiffer you go it is more important and harder to achieve a neutral setup. As in your case I would rather have the ability to stiffen the front bar instead of soften the rear bar for the street or track. For tight autoX, I could understand going with the stock bar, but if WMS made a front bar like the rear bar you still could run it at the stock stiffness or even softer if you wanted. Which means more choice and more adjustability. Maybe im just to tired and crazy. Time to go to bed, goodnight!

 

Don't forget coilover or spring setup has a role(pun intended) in this too. My H&Rs dont' allow much body roll at all, so maybe adding a front bar would make my car handle "flatter" but induce more 4 wheel drift, than oversteer.....

who knows, bedtime for me too

 

drift it up!!!!