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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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Pulley removal tool

Does anyone have experience with the "Deluxe" pulley puller that Outmotoring sells? I wasn't able to find any info on it via search:

http://outmotoring.com/deluxe_superc...oval_tool.html




They claim you dont have to remove the belt tensioner when using this tool, which sounds cool if it works.

How does it compare to the standard square tool:

http://outmotoring.com/supercharger_...oval_tool.html

And the terribly expensive offering from Alta:

http://www.altaminiperformance.com/p...er/PULLER.html
 
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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I have the 'deluxe' Outmotoring puller. It works great. You can leave the tensioner in place unlike any other solution, which saves considerable time by not having to r&r the tensioner assembly.

It's a tad pricey, but I recommend it. I give it
 
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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Will a standard jaw puller work? Or must one get a specialized "Mini" pulley remover tool?

thanks,
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:19 PM
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I can handle $100 pricey, it's the $200 Alta unit that seems out of line. Thanks for the input

matma92ser - I've read that the stock pulley will deform and not want to come out with a jaw puller. The cheaper square pulley tool is used in conjunction with a standard puller.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:36 PM
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I think Rspeed sells the same one.

http://www.rspeed.net/mini/item.asp?...2&prod=M20-160
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by matma92ser
Will a standard jaw puller work? Or must one get a specialized "Mini" pulley remover tool?

thanks,
matt ma
Everyone that I know that has tride it, it's been a disaster. I don't recomend it.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 06:42 AM
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the puller you posted above works flawlesly, you do not have to remove the tensioner like mentioned. Probably saves 20 min or more.

Worth the money in my opinion if you are going to do it yourself.

For around $250 you can get the pulley and the tools to switch it and it takes no more than 2 hours if you have the rest of th etools and soe mechanical ablity. After you do one you will wonder how people pay $300 for labor on a job that takes less than 1 hour. I think any more than $275 for a pulley and installation is too much! Even at $275 thats $175 per hour for labor and the skill to do it...More than fair if you ask me.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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Tool Review Time (with full-colour pictures!)

Here is mine in action during my 'pulley party of one' earlier in the year:


Installed on pulley:
Note the amount of working room. There isnt much. When using a 'standard' puller with the adaptor blocks not only do you need to remove the tensioner to make room for the adaptor, but you need to jack the engine up higher, putting more strain on the still-connected hoses, cables and wiring. Here I just lifted it enough for clearance. Sweet.


In action:
The built-in wrench nut makes holding the puller from turning almost too easy. You need quite a bit of torque applied to the puller bolt (I estimate about 80+ lb-ft) to jack the pulley from the shaft. The insert at the end of the puller bolt engages the supercharger shaft without damaging it or the threads. More sweetness.


It's done:
The results after less than a minute. The pulley is completely undamaged and can be reused if need be. Sweetness abounds. Note here for those wanting to use a three-jaw puller: The inner belt flange of the pulley gets bent by the pulling force of the jaws needed to get the thing off. What results is the 'rounding off' of the edge of the pulley which then causes the puller jaws to slip off and subsequently getting nowhere at taking the pulley off. All the recommended puller versions grip the pulley via the outer flange and the v-ribs for that reason.

By not having to remove the tensioner assembly and futz around with a cumbersome puller arrangement, I figure I saved at least 45 minutes or more on this job. The tool seems durable enough to use many times over, paying for itself in saved time alone. Plus if you have big hands and arms like me, not having to muck around with taking the tensioner out and reinstalling it in the awkward litte space is a huge bonus.
 

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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Excellent write up greatbear, I'm going to get that tool and diy the pulley. BTW, did you get yours from outmotoring or rspeed? The pic on rspeed's site actually looks like a different version of the same tool. The nut that is attached to the tool doesn't look as deep on the Rspeed unit.

 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by early_apex
Excellent write up greatbear, I'm going to get that tool and diy the pulley. BTW, did you get yours from outmotoring or rspeed? The pic on rspeed's site actually looks like a different version of the same tool. The nut that is attached to the tool doesn't look as deep on the Rspeed unit.
I got mine from Outmotoring.

The RSpeed version does look a bit thinner.

Being that there is a great deal of pressure applied to the bolt threads when you are using the thing, it makes sense to have as deep thread engagement as you can manage.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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It seems hard to tell if the Rspeed is thinner. Just looking at the pulley next to the remover it would seem to provide the seem depth.

I was thinking there couldn't be too many people making pulley pullers so if they are similar designs would they be made by the same supplier?
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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I bought this type from Mini Mania in Dec. This is the smoothest and easiest one to use yet! http://www.dynamicminicollective.com...opic.php?t=771
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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My pocketbook is a little lighter

:smile: Well, you guys sold me. I just ordered the 15% pulley and the DEEEELUXE pulley remover from Outmotoring. I'm glad I procrastinated long enough to learn about this new puller!

Later
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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just a few more options to throw out to the community:


https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=32937

Jock
 
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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GreatBear, Great write-up and pictures

Sweetness it is and a better idea I see, I like the looks of that puller. During my "pulley party" of one I used a two piece square one that I borrowed from a buddy up here. It worked okay but had all the negatives you mention plus the space available caused me to have to keep making adjustments to the bolts attaching the crows foot puller to the square block as I went, then there was the tensioner R&R.
Would I do it again? sure! But it sure looks easier and less time with that tool.

 
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Today I ordered an Alta 15% pulley, the Deluxe tool, the belt tensioner and a set of Beru plugs from Outmotoring. Thanks for the help guys on the pulley tool, I'll let you know how it worked out when all the stuff gets here.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 09:59 PM
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This afternoon we pullied my car

We followed the instructions on the Webb Motorsports site and the whole thing went smoother than expected. We didn't have to remove the tensioner, and we ran into only one issue jacking the engine with a cable under the airbox. We took our time, and the job took about 3 hours which included time keeping track of and chasing my 2 year old around.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 07:53 AM
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Glad ya had success! How do you like your new-found power? Addicting, aint it?
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by early_apex
This afternoon we pullied my car

We followed the instructions on the Webb Motorsports site and the whole thing went smoother than expected. We didn't have to remove the tensioner, and we ran into only one issue jacking the engine with a cable under the airbox. We took our time, and the job took about 3 hours which included time keeping track of and chasing my 2 year old around.
Is the stock pulley is reusable after you pulled it off? I think it is but I just wanted to confirm that.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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Glad ya had success! How do you like your new-found power? Addicting, aint it?
I can't keep my foot out of it
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by meanboy
Is the stock pulley is reusable after you pulled it off? I think it is but I just wanted to confirm that.
You probably could, but I don't see mine ever going back on.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by meanboy
Is the stock pulley is reusable after you pulled it off? I think it is but I just wanted to confirm that.
Actually I was rolling the pulley across my desk today and it is clearly out of round. I wouldn't plan on it being reuseable.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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When I put on a pulley I was going to put it back to stock whenever I sold it. But it looks like it would have to stay on.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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Just to verify, I am 95% sure on this, but with the 15% pulley, you DO NOT need to tension the belt after installing it with a Deluxe pulley removal tool, correct?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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You don't have to remove the belt tensioner assembly with the deluxe tool. You still need to loosen the tension on the belt with a belt tensioner tool of some sort. I was glad I spent the money on the MINI tool...

With a 15% pulley you can use the original belt. 17% and 19% pulleys require a new belt.
 
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