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Old Apr 18, 2016 | 02:28 PM
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P1688 snapped serpentine belt

2006 R53 with 70k miles went into limp mode on the freeway. Checked the codes and it threw a P1688 and upon looking underneath the engine it was clear the belt snapped.

I have a tensioner tool on the way so that I can get the belt off and check to see if anything else was damaged.

If the crank pulley has gone bad, will it be pretty obvious?

I'm not used to belts just letting go, so wondering what else I need to check once I get in there. Best case just put a new belt on, worst case...?
 
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Old Apr 18, 2016 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cmayer
If the crank pulley has gone bad, will it be pretty obvious?
If the crank pulley is the culprit, it probably would've separated, as the hard rubber portion can detach from the metal, rendering the pulley useless. Also on a failed pulley, the inner portion can make contact with the timing cover, gouging it..

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I'm not used to belts just letting go, so wondering what else I need to check once I get in there. Best case just put a new belt on, worst case...?
In addition to a failed crank pulley, it could also be a failed belt tensioner. As to which is "worse case," neither is too big a job, with both equally laborious. If it were my car and either the pulley or tensioner had failed, I'd replace both, since removing the tensioner will be much easier (out the bottom) with the crank pulley removed.
 

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Have you ever replaced the belt before? Definitely inspect the harmonic balancer and the belt tensioner. Inspect them closely and anything else in the area for damage. Also, make sure to get the correct replacement belt for your MINI. http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/..._pg1.htm#item3
 
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Old Apr 19, 2016 | 08:23 AM
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Have you ever replaced the belt before? Definitely inspect the harmonic balancer and the belt tensioner. Inspect them closely and anything else in the area for damage. Also, make sure to get the correct replacement belt for your MINI. http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/..._pg1.htm#item3
No, got the car with 66k miles on it and it now has 70k. As far as I can tell from the records, no engine work / maintenance besides oil changes has been done.
 
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Originally Posted by AoxoMoxoA
If the crank pulley is the culprit, it probably would've separated, as the hard rubber portion can detach from the metal, rendering the pulley useless. Also on a failed pulley, the inner portion can make contact with the timing cover, gouging it..



In addition to a failed crank pulley, it could also be a failed belt tensioner. As to which is "worse case," neither is too big a job, with both equally laborious. If it were my car and either the pulley or tensioner had failed, I'd replace both, since removing the tensioner will be much easier (out the bottom) with the crank pulley removed.
Thank you for the insight! Will tear into it tomorrow.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2016 | 08:35 AM
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No, got the car with 66k miles on it and it now has 70k. As far as I can tell from the records, no engine work / maintenance besides oil changes has been done.
I'd inspect the belt more regularly once you get everything fixed up. I typically inspect it every time I change my oil and try to replace it before signs of wear as preventative measures. Always inspect it closely as cracks will usually occur on the inside of the belt. Let us know what you find and if you need anything just let me know.
 
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Got to look at the car today. I'm assuming that I shouldn't be able to spin the damper as separate parts lol

 

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Old Apr 20, 2016 | 07:50 PM
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Made the video public. It's a bad crank pulley.
 

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Originally Posted by cmayer
Got to look at the car today. I'm assuming that I shouldn't be able to spin the damper as separate parts lol
I'm guessing the video shows a separated crank pulley? Don't know, because it's labeled "Private."
 
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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 05:00 AM
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No, got the car with 66k miles on it and it now has 70k. As far as I can tell from the records, no engine work / maintenance besides oil changes has been done.
That's why the belt failed....belt is typically good for about 4 years, and is "inspected" at every inspection #2...since it us a $15-25 part, inspection=replacement.
Lots more need to be done to a mini or most modern cars beyond changing the oil to keep them reliable.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 05:03 AM
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There are several replacement pulleys that are better AND cheaper than OEM...
PRW branded is cheapest, and is fine, the ATI is bit nicer, but functionally similar, but more $$....then the OEM...
I would suggest you steer clear of the solid "lightweight" units....not a good plan IMO. Can cause some longerterm issues.
 
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