Thanks for the updates on the 3G iPhone everybody!

Anyone had a chance to try any voice dialing with it?

 

Thanks melannki,

Any chance you've noticed if the addressbook transfers, or you're able to voice dial?

 

Voice dialing works just as it did with the original iPhone. The numbers were still programmed into the car when I switched.

 

Since the iPhone 3G is a physically different size than iPhone, I don't think that the current cradle will work. The larger, rounded back would cause it to not line up properly with the dock connector.

 

And the original required the setup of voice tags through the Mini, correct? I've only been able to fine one somewhat cryptic comment on it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just found your post from a month or so ago.

 

LG850 Prada, works perfect and gives you full phone book, awesome!

 

Cool beans I've added it as the Prada, Verizon Dare and AT&T Vu too, since it seems to be the same phone all around.

Does 'work perfect' include the voice control too, or do you need to make voice tags for each number?

 

What are the bluetooth profiles that work with the mini cooper? Verizon said they can find phones that will work if they know the profile.

 

The problem is not in the profiles that MINI accepts, it is in the phone manufacturers implementation of the profile.

For instance LG Voyager. It has the "Handsfree" Profile but many will not work with the MINI but others LG phone with "Handsfree" will work. It all depends on the software version that the manufacturer designs and uses in that particular phone. See the posts of this thread listed at the end of this sentence and you will see how specific it can get. 127,130,143,151,157 and these are only some of them that explain how software revisions on a phone can screw up the link between the car and the phone.

LG is trying to get better at making it's profiles better but they are taking their time about it. they would rather have only their phones work with their headsets and not other brands so they put extra little bits of code in that work only with their headset or handsfree kits and cause it not to work with other brands.

LG is not the only manufacturer that does this but they are the worst.

The other end of the problem is with the module int he MINI/BMW they vary as well depending on the year built. BMW is now up to generation 13 on its bluetooth module. Many of these are just software changes but with a few hardware changes. Some of these changes made changes to the way the bluetooth works as the bluetooh "handsfree" profile changed its standard and added extra feature.

Al of this combines to make it very difficult to know what will work until it is tried.

So until the Bluetooth Standard is strictly adhered to by all manufacturers this problem will exist.

 

According to my Blackberry, the MINI's accessed at least:
Hands-Free unit
OBEX Object Push

No idea if that's a complete listing or not, and from what I understand it's possible to have partial OBEX object support- I doubt that the Blackberry lists each subcategory, and who knows how Verizon has it listed.

I'm curious what they'll give you.

 

The only other profiles that i could see it using are

DID - Device ID Profile ( it must use this somehow to know which device it is connecting to as it can connect to up to 4 devices)

HSP - Headset Profile (this is very limiting but does allow for Voice recogition, but i do not think it is used or not to the standard at least)

PBAP - Phone Book Address Profile (does not seem to be used as this is also two way communications, they seem to use OBEX/OPP to send the phone book to the car or atleast that is what is used by my phone to send the phone book to the car, i had to open this up on my phone a long time ago to get the phone book to transfer)

SDAP - Service Discovery Application Profile (it probably only uses this during the paring procedure)

All the other profiles do stuff that a phone and car will not do for a while like print you e-mail for you, but maybe someday.

and now here is an interesting twist i just found.

My Motorola E815 uses OBEX Object Push for files transfer and Contacts transfer. My assumption is that nicknbeck's phone uses the OBEX Object Push (as stated above) probably for contacts transfer.

No to a set of pohnes that do not transfer phone books.

LG Voyager is listed as using the following
1. Handfree/Headset
2. Bluetooth Object Push (AKA OPP) for vCard/Contacts and Calendar
3. Bluetooth OBEX File Transfers limited to User Generated Content Only MY_PIX, MY_SOUNDS, MY_VIDEO, but not ring tones/music
4. ADvanced Audio Distribution profile (A2DP)
5. Other bluetooth profiles for printing, serial data, and dial-up networking

LG enV/enV2
Same as LG Voyager

Now just to note without typing every thing out for a bunch more phones. Most of the Motorola RAZR phones use both the Bluetooth Object Push (OPP) and OBEX Object Push for Contacts. And these phones work for transfering the phone book. The Motorola

Again the Nokia N73, N80, N95 use OPP not OBEX and they do not transfer the phone book but they do have Handfree profile and they will sync and make calls.

So now lets look at the OPP and OBEX. OPP is only one subset of OBEX. OPP requires a selection of something to be pushed out to the other device. Other subsets of the OBEX automatically push info wetter it will be used or not.

So it seems that if OPP is used for phone book transfer it will not work with the MINI/BMW. But if phone uses OBEX Object Push then the phone will transfer the phone book.

I have not been able to find any data on the LG Shine But it is also reported to pair and make/receive calls but not transfer the phone book.

Quote from another thread
Yes Verizon does limit some software and bluetooth functions but on the LG phones the manufacturer is the one limiting the bluetooth to OPP and not OBEX for the phone book.

Thus the hypothisis that i have come to is that the MINI/BMW needs to have the phone book transfered via OBEX Object Push and not by Bluetooth Object Push (OPP)

I will attempt to do some more research on this matter when time provides but i believe the hypothisis i have come up with above will continue to stand.

 

Added my ATT Blackberry 8820 today - works like a champ!

 

Granted my Bluetooth knowledge is limited, but I was under the impression that OPP is Oject Push Profile? The spec itself doesn't abbreviate it, but the file name of the PDF is OPP_SPEC. I think a lot of confusion comes into play when even phone review sites label OBEX as OPP and vice versa, when really OPP is built on top of OBEX.

Hmmm- it may be that the intent is not to disable the address book access specifically, but the effect has come on more than just the LG phones. Motorolla, Treo, Samsung and Audiovox phones were listed as OBEX capable but disabled in reports that I read. Perhaps new phones are fine-tunable enough that they can disable OBEX->OPP->FileTransfer, leaving OPP->vCard in tact, but older phones just get all of OBEX whacked?

EDIT: Actually, going back and reading your message again, using your Voyager example, that seems like a possibility...

 

OBEX was the original spec and as things progressed with the software and use of the OBEX Profile there were subsection built out and one of them was the OPP. OBEX is a two way communication and OPP was based on the two way but requires that a choice be made on the sending device to make it operate. The receiving device just figures out where to put it. One would think that that is what is done with the phone book. but in reality the OPP requires human intervention, kind of like transfering files from one computer to another.The other OBEX subset is FTP which is split into to sections, transmit and receive. and works very much like FTP on computers.

I could go on but space is limited.

Early on Verizon did disable the the OBEX part of bluetooth but as the standard developed and it became clear that it was going to be needed for phone book transfer to and from the phone via bluetooth from a computer (verizon originally wanted the consumer to purchase a cable to do this that was over priced $90.00 at the time i looked) and people were hacking the phone to make it work the decided to open it up. I hacked my phone and turned on the OBEX Profile and i can transfer contacts, pictures, ring tones, just about anything to and from my phone (motorola e815).

Companies like LG have not endorsed the overall OBEX profiles for security reasons. It would make the phone very easy to get into for a hacker and able to get viruses easily. LG does not want to have that problem and then have to write anti-virus code into the phone main operating system. So they have opted for the more limiting OPP part of the OBEX standard.

 

This question has probably been answered already, but I couldn't find it so here goes...

Regarding the new 3G iPhone, since the device is both a phone AND an iPod, does anyone know if both can be accessed via the armrest dock that comes in the Convenience package? It seems like you should be able to so long as there is a way that the system allows you to go back and forth between the two.

If anyone has tried please share. I can't yet since I just ordered my Mini on July 1st and I have a long ways to wait until I can check myself.

 

The 3G iPhone is a different size than the previous iPhone, I'm pretty sure that the armrest snap-in available now won't fit it.

The armrest connector is also only a charging connection and an indirect antenna loop- the USB/AUX connector is up underneath the A/C stack and is separate. There's people that have run their own cables there before, so it could be possible as a mod.

Motoringfile had an announcement that some new snap-ins would be available around September along with the 2009 cars, but there's no word on their exact functionality or compatibility with existing cars. (Although compatibility may not be a problem for you regardless, depending on when your car is made )

 

Nice! You're the first report that I know of on the 8820... If you get the chance to see if the phone's address book syncs and whether or not voice dialing is possible let us know!

 

I just picked up the Verizon Dare and can not get the phone numbers to transfer. The software version is Vx970v03. The phone connects and dials and if I manually set up a voice dial command it will keep it. I have a late model 07.

Any ideas? or has Verizon done something different to it?

 

It's possible- firmware changes broke the Voyager and the enV2.

When you say that you can't get the phone numbers to transfer, do you mean for voice dialing, or for both just reading the address book and voice dialing?

I'll adjust the entry on the Dare for now.

 

Neither the numbers nor the voice dialing transfer...

BTW -This may be a dah! for others - but I just discovered by playing with various phones that if I set up the voice dial on the MINI it will work with any phone as long as the bluetooth connection works (and doesn't disconnect on dial like my Moto v555 did)

The jury is still out as to whether I like the Dare...

 

That is because it is part of the MINI not the phone.

 

Further confirmation of this fact:
This weekend, I uninstalled/deleted my Razr2 from the MINI Bluetooth, then re-installed it. All of the voice commands I had entered originally were still in the MINI after re-installation.

 

The Prada KE850 works perfect with voice commands

 

Good to know, since Verizon's version of it seems to be so much different. Thanks!

 

US Cellular question - I'm going to get the Motorola KRZR K1M as it's the only phone less than $100 they will sell me with the plan I want. Does the carrier matter? Will it work equally well whether I use US Cellular, Verizon, or whatever? I'm a bit irritated there are few phones that will work with the cheapest plan. Since we already use US Cellular we want to stay with them and avoid the activation fee.