2020 JCW Clubman. I get one set of shift points when I flip the mode switch to Sport, a little more aggressive. If I move the gear selector to the left and don’t move the shifter and don’t touch the paddles I get a S on the dash and very aggressive shift algorithms (cruising at 80mph it stays in 6th gear. Can someone explain the 2 different sport modes to control shift points. It’s kind of confusing me.

Thanks Gary

 

It's basically Sport and Sport+.

If you activate one of them (button or gear selector, but not both), it goes into Sport. If you activate both, it goes into Sport+. I haven't seen this documented anywhere, but that's how my wife's 2019 JCW Clubman works.

With the gear selector moved to the left, you can manually shift using the paddles and it'll say what gear you're in (M6, for example). With the gear selector to the right, if you use the paddles, it'll go back to auto after a few seconds.

 

After reading about BMW Sport+ I think your assessment is pretty close. The shifts with gear selector left whether using paddles or letting it shift automatically are hard and fast, more so than when just selecting sport mode and shifting with or without the paddles.

That certainly helped, Thank you.

Gary

 

So they handle different things.

the toggle switch controls suspension, steering, and engine management. When switching to this, your suspension firms up (if applicable, will be on the F54 JCW), weakens the steering assist, provides excess gasoline on overrev, and increased throttle response (by increasing the throttle position for a given throttle input.) the last one is what you’re actually thinking affects the shift points (more power means you hold revs longer.)

going to sport mode on the transmission affects the transmission selection, idle speed, torque converter lockup and specifically shift points.

hope this helps.

 

That's the one that confuses me. with my foot off the throttle when I flip the mode switch to Sport mode the transmission downshifts. if I move the gear selector left it will downshift again. With gear selector in Sport there is no doubt the shift is more aggressive, (harder/faster}, It seems Sport mode switch changes shift points?

Thanks,
Gary

 

On my 17 S All4, I get what you are experiencing, where it will change shift points a bit in 'sport' mode along with never going into 8th gear...at least up to 90mph anyway. The shift points are stretched out a little bit and still somewhat 'soft' like in normal mode. When you move the shifter into its sport mode, the car will certainly hold gears much longer, along with quicker/aggressive shifts, regardless if the car is in sport mode or not. I think both modes build on each other to some extent, just not sure how the algorithms build on each other.

 

I called Mini US and they didn't have an answer and suggested talking to the Mini Genius at the dealership. He also admitted they get a lot of info from Motoring File. My observations are the same as yours.

Thanks,
Gary

 

It took me about 12,000 miles to realize there was the two different sport modes of shifting (the toggle sport mode and the gear lever left mode). Not that anyone cares, but the lever-left mode was too aggressive and the toggle sport mode put too much active sound in the cabin for my taste. I ended up disabling the active sound and using the toggle sport mode.

In my defense of taking 12,000 miles to figure it out this basic function, LOL, I paddle shift nearly 95% of the time.