ill give you that...you offer BT...smart move.

 

Thanks, Dinan. I'm hoping the Dinan SPT calls for more boost starting below 1500?? These B48's are designed to start scrolling up fast to get the peak torque @1250 RPM. That's where many of us old guys get our thrills -- we like to feel it early on.

I appreciate your comment regarding how quick the car's DME reacts and adjusts. I did have the concern about over-lean conditions developing. I assume the Dinan box gets the car to add boost and then lets the other sensors (like O2) figure out the car needs more fuel and the DME compensates.

I didn't mean to imply by my previous questions that I was digging for trade secrets. I like that there's magic. Just trying to fully grasp what, exactly, the car's DME is "tricked" into doing when the Dinan SPT under-reports actual manifold pressure.

Everything you do to enlighten helps and increases our appreciation and thus enhances our joy. thanks for participating in the forum.

 

Just wanted to shout out that the Dinan Sport Performance Tuner for the B48 engine does add measurable boost/HP/TQ starting before 1750 RPM and is adding significant HP/TQ from 2000 RPM.

Also wanted to let everyone know that Dinan has been very responsive to my specific queries. Good people there.

 

[QUOTE=#Dragon#;4240244]Dragon, I did contact Dinan and they gave me the answers I was seeking. Thanks,
2017All4

 

No problem 2017All4 have you ordered one?

 

Soon as I finalize the deal and take delivery of the car. It is currently scheduled for production. Probably a month to go as it's got to get to the Left coast of the USA.

 

i'm confused. you don't even own the car yet and already making pretty specific claims? could you please provide evidence to that?

your first sentence sounds so much like an advertisement...almost like "hey, do us a solid, copy and paste this on that thread"

 

I have a car and for 6 months had both DINANtronic (4weeks) and NM module (5months+).

I'd say they are BOTH as advertised.

I reached out to Dinan to possibly have my car as a test car. Logistically they are the closest doing anything with MINI and Dinan has a brand known not only in the BMW world, But also with the early generation R53 Dinan Cooper. So I have confidence in letting them tinker with my New Car. They have already selected Bill (local with an F56) way before I was ever in the picture, they kindly said they'd keep me in mind with future ventures and they did just that.

I had an opportunity to test out the DINANtronic Sport courtesy of DinanEngineer. My car is slightly different from Bill. I have a 2015 4 door S with JCW pro exhaust and tune. Helix intercooler, and Awe s-flow intake.

Having spoke and met with DinanEngineer, he is a legit honest Guy that knows his way around tuning, and cars. Similar to Jerry with his honest an courteous personality all through e-mail and phone. These guys and companies are where they are because they are good at what hey do. On that note, if anyone is getting money or freebies it's definitely not me. As much as I want free stuff (like everyone and their mommas) I like my car more and will only do/use what works.

I chose NM for simplicity and price. The performance gains were also Great.
DINANtronic is also simple with a lower price point. The performance is also Great.

If anyone running a "better/more tunable/more gains" setup, by all means let's have lunch and you can set my car after I've done full research and believe my engine and car will be safe.

Let's keep the conversation going. This forum is valuable not only to ourselves, but those seeking information from actual owners that use these items daily!

 

Dragon. Just saw your video. Had to watch it a few times. Sounds Great!!!! Nice to see you are enjoying and putting everything together nicely. Nicely done!

 

Hey MarcoPolo. You've got a point. It does sound like I'm hyping Dinan. I did another post somewhere where I also said nice things about Jerry at NM.I guess that makes me an equal opportunity hype-er

Sorry if my 2 main points got obscured. 1) Dinan was very responsive to several specific, challenging questions I sent in a PM because I was really drilling hard for data that I wasn't sure Dinan would/could share in an open forum. 2) I got data from Dinan in great detail along with answers to several specific questions regarding how the Dinan box interacts with the car's DME. So I stand by my comments.

Finally, since I've been asking all over NAM for info regarding how these various tuning boxes do their "magic," I feel, since I didn't hide my skepticism, I owe it to the forum to report that I got what I was seeking. And yes, I believe what I've been told by Dinan and NM as well as by users of both products.

Sorry if it came off as shilling for a brand that I don't even own. I'll curb my enthusiasm... at least until I get my car

 

Thanks for the confirmation MiniF55. Others have also affirmed that these boxes work as advertised. My concerns were mainly focused on risk of over-lean and my questions revolved around lower RPM gains and DME responses to the tweaked input coming from the altered T-MAP readings generated by the tuning boxes. I also wanted to understand the subtleties of linear vs. progressive alterations of the signals the boxes generate. Got good answers and I wanted to share my experience. What I was told is congruent with what your real world experience has revealed to you. Others with both the NM and Dinan boxes have given me similar reports.

 

It would be cool if we could here from more factory jcw owners.
in an early post jobexo says he has torque steer but the two cars in the uk do not have this problem as the cars feel so smooth.
I would also like to ask which setting you guys prefer sport plus or race mode.

 

Boy this really reminds me of my first mod, simple and effective. On my 1994 MR2 Turbo, you could buy a brass bleeder valve, that would bleed pressure sent from the turbo to the waste gate. It would allow the turbo to spool up quicker as well as generate much more boost (if my memory serves correctly, from 6.5 - 7 psi to 14.5psi - 18psi). Cost? about $8 bucks. Then you would need to intercept the over boost detector (a pin number in the wiring harness going into the ECU) with a simple resistor (ready made cost $150, self made cost $0.60cents).

Of course Japanese companies like HKS, Blitz etc all had there take on it and all developed the horsepower alike because a single engine set to a specific boost will generate the exact same horsepower whether using option 1, 2, 3 etc.

So at the end of the day, the Dinan solution pretty much makes the same horsepower on the same vehicle as another manufacturers device on the same vehicle. The difference being cost, options, convenience, installation, warranty etc etc etc.

Cheers

 

thank you...and what's bothered me (which i really should just get over it) is people feeling like this is better than others because of.......wait for it......one word.....DINAN.

IMO, the only thing dinan has over the other products is BT...besides that, same sh*t, different toilet.

 

And, at THAT, BT is perhaps not the ideal solution for me seeing as how I use my phone to connect to my mini for Telephone, and music. So yes, it's nice to have, but having a REAL and dedicated boost gauge is the ONLY way to go. Eyes on the road, hands on the wheel, keep the d@mn phone where it belongs (in a phone holder).

Cheers

 

Price?

 

I just traded my 10 clubman s manic stage 2 for a new clubman s all4. I put the dinantronics in and I'm not super impressed. my manic car was faster especially up top. I can't get my iPhone to connect to the dinantronics either. I'd like to switch to race mode and see what the deal is hahaha

 

http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...?series=&mid=/

iOS app is not yet available. Will need an Android device at present to change from SPORT + to RACE.

As far as the comparison to a Manic stage 2. You are setting yourself up for disappointment there if you are comparing a basic boost controller to a full ECU tune that is designed for catless/hi flow cat full exhaust system, FMIC and intake. Two drastically different animals.

 

Haha yea definitely two different animals. I figured it would be close considering the .4 liters in displacement difference. I'll see if I can borrow someone's android phone. I have the dinan app on my phone so I guess that's not the right one. Do I need an app on the android? Im assuming it's safe to run race mode on pump gas?

 

The iOS app you are seeing is for the bigger full scale DINANTRONICS for BMW-- the SPORT one will ultimately have the same icon but have a little red S in the bottom right corner.

You would need the app on the Android to switch settings and to use the boost gauge.

The RACE setting will work fine on pump gas. If running on 93 you wont have any issues at all. On 91 some cars experience some blips as the upper RPM register in the RACE setting but it will run fine regardless. We are just sticklers for drivability and overly sensitive to it. We haven't heard anyone complain about it, or even mention it for that matter, but our guys swear its there when they lay into it on local gas.

 

Sweet. Thank you. I have the utmost confidence in dinan as a brand. I work at a MINI/BMW store and have driven several dinan cars with nothing but smiles. It's just some adjustments from my old car.

 

Back in the early 70's I had a Dinan turntable. Outside of this thread, that's the extent of my knowledge of things Dinan. I guess I'm with MarcoPolo on this one. Just a different toilet with bells and whistles I can't use, because I have an iPhone.

 

Denon turntable is what you had. If the Dinan is cheapest and they all do pretty much the same, gotta go Dinan.

 

More bell and whistle and almost a hubdred bucks cheaper than the competition, sounds like a winning formula to me...
I've had many Dinan parts back on my E46 M3, real quality stuff! Nothing bad to say about the company.

Dinan, you did confirm your box would work with B-engine BMW cars, yes? I have a B38 X1 coming and most probably gonna go with Dinan box.

 

So question, basically this Dinan thing is the same as NM module but cheaper? Can the car still produce max Torque at lower RPN as the NM module? I really don't race my car so for me is more important the low end torque. Btw I have JCW tuning kit installed lol but I just want more jajajajaajjajaj