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From: Fresno Ca.
and will eat a little crow
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
Hope we already didn't lose him though.
So whats the deal? Did UKSUV get permanently banned? If so, then I feel it's the duty of the moderators to inform us why and if it was for previous infractions how many of them. If one mod gets bent for one post, that is not right. Yes the things he said may not be PC but we all make mistakes. And if there is more behind this, then we should know what it was, not particulars but at least that there was something leading up to a total lifetime ban. Lifetime bans should be only done for really bad stuff, which in a car forum, what would that be? We lose too many good people to goofy stuff. IMHO.
Moderators are not perfect, they make mistakes. The good ones will admit it, the bad ones dig in no matter what. But there are some folks that will never be satisfied with anything a moderator does, and cut them no slack whatsoever. It's ridiculous; I've seen the dumbest arguements, and people leave this boards for the dumbest reasons. And it'll never end, it's the nature of internet forums.
Why ANYONE would ever want to moderate a board is beyond me; it's truly a thankless task, and it's also absolutely necessary for the boards to function.
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Fresno Ca.
It is NOT the duty of the moderators to inform you why and what the infractions were. It's not public knowledge, nor should it be (there are many ramifications to this which I don't think you've thought out). Boards are NOT a democracy. They are controlled, and for a reason. Often times when a ban occurs, it's discussed beyond the scenes with more than one (usually several) moderators; bans are not lightly handed out. If they are, frankly it's none of our business.
Why ANYONE would ever want to moderate a board is beyond me; it's truly a thankless task, and it's also absolutely necessary for the boards to function. Deal with it.
Why ANYONE would ever want to moderate a board is beyond me; it's truly a thankless task, and it's also absolutely necessary for the boards to function. Deal with it.
At most sites, bad moderators usually meet their demise; it's kind of like natural selection. Conversely, in my experience anyway, disrespectful posters are cut WAY more slack than moderators. This guy did a good job, apologized, etc. What more do you want from him? His firstborn would be a bit much to ask....
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 769
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From: Michigan
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Since I cannot get into my 3 unread messages and respond to them cause I am banned...I will respond from my wife's profile. And I will respond to Xiek since he seems to be level headed on this 
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There was not one ounce of "hostility" in this thread. YES, my comments with Chris' (Tuls) were one big mistake. He thought I was going one way with it while I meant no harm. Ive known him personally for what....like 6 years now?
1. HOMO does stand for HIGH OUPUT MINI OWNER. Does it not? Is that not what Chris is? I mean...he has a high HP tight ride! So I called him a HOMO. Thats why I capitalized it. Dont look into it. 
2. The "gay" word. Ok...you have to give me some slack on that one. People take this word way too seriously (like times like this). If you look up the word in the dictionary...ONE DEFINITION defines it as...." often used to describe something stupid or unfortunate". Hence, thats what my comment was reffering to. Should I have used a different word? Probably. But it wasnt said in malice or posted to offend anyone.
3. My "douche" comment. Hmmm...really? Your really gonna ban me for saying this? ESPECIALLY to a friend? Come on now.
This situation make me sad in the sence that we as a society will NEVER be a whole and interact peacefully when someone jumps on the chance to cry foul when there is nothing to cry foul about. I consulted my "Alternate Lifestyle" (<---- Politically Correct for Krut) relative and a few of his "partners" and had them read this thread. They just sat back and laughed and had a few choice words that...actually.....I care not to repeat 
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My HOMO acronym is a dead issue. I see in no way why I am faulted for this one. But should I have used a better set of words for the other two? Maybe. But, like I said...these were NEVER referred to a person or group so I have no clue on why Im being bombed on right out of the gate. People only see what they want to see. Should I appologize? YES...but the ONLY person that I should apologize to is Chris for calling him a douche . I was never warned for all of this and just banned. I have never had any warnings in the past regarding this. PGT and others are correct. This board is slanted. But I never cared one way or the other. I just liked helping people out and talking to friends. But if this is the direction NAM is going....I dont want to be a part of it. So this will be my last post indirectly from the UKSUV account. Thank you to all my friends on here. I appreciate it!
On a side note...If anyone wants to contact me (car questions or whatever)....I will be on the other forums, facebook or you can email me at uksuv08@gmail.com . Its been a fun 6 years on this board but Im out.
. There was not one ounce of "hostility" in this thread. YES, my comments with Chris' (Tuls) were one big mistake. He thought I was going one way with it while I meant no harm. Ive known him personally for what....like 6 years now?
1. HOMO does stand for HIGH OUPUT MINI OWNER. Does it not? Is that not what Chris is? I mean...he has a high HP tight ride!
So I called him a HOMO. Thats why I capitalized it. Dont look into it. 2. The "gay" word. Ok...you have to give me some slack on that one. People take this word way too seriously (like times like this). If you look up the word in the dictionary...ONE DEFINITION defines it as...." often used to describe something stupid or unfortunate". Hence, thats what my comment was reffering to. Should I have used a different word? Probably. But it wasnt said in malice or posted to offend anyone.
3. My "douche" comment. Hmmm...really? Your really gonna ban me for saying this? ESPECIALLY to a friend? Come on now.
This situation make me sad in the sence that we as a society will NEVER be a whole and interact peacefully when someone jumps on the chance to cry foul when there is nothing to cry foul about. I consulted my "Alternate Lifestyle" (<---- Politically Correct for Krut
) relative and a few of his "partners" and had them read this thread. They just sat back and laughed and had a few choice words that...actually.....I care not to repeat . My HOMO acronym is a dead issue. I see in no way why I am faulted for this one
. But should I have used a better set of words for the other two? Maybe. But, like I said...these were NEVER referred to a person or group so I have no clue on why Im being bombed on right out of the gate. People only see what they want to see. Should I appologize? YES...but the ONLY person that I should apologize to is Chris for calling him a douche . I was never warned for all of this and just banned. I have never had any warnings in the past regarding this. PGT and others are correct. This board is slanted. But I never cared one way or the other. I just liked helping people out and talking to friends. But if this is the direction NAM is going....I dont want to be a part of it. So this will be my last post indirectly from the UKSUV account. Thank you to all my friends on here. I appreciate it! On a side note...If anyone wants to contact me (car questions or whatever)....I will be on the other forums, facebook or you can email me at uksuv08@gmail.com . Its been a fun 6 years on this board but Im out.
Vendors can get into it all they want because they bring people to the site or credability or $$$ to it. But members always get the shaft. Yea, that's moderation!!!
Long live UKSUV.....
All I can say is find a busy message board with a bunch of contentious personalities (me included) and try moderating it for a week or two. You're perspective will change dramatically and permanently...
As for him doing his job, I wonder how much he gets paid to do this?
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Michigan
Highlight them and take a poll...
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From: Fresno Ca.
No, it's not our business. It's the other Mods business to sort it out, not us. You can always flag a mod to another mod, it's much better way than flaming up a forum.
All I can say is find a busy message board with a bunch of contentious personalities (me included) and try moderating it for a week or two. You're perspective will change dramatically and permanently...
All I can say is find a busy message board with a bunch of contentious personalities (me included) and try moderating it for a week or two. You're perspective will change dramatically and permanently...
Zero dollars for a volunteer effort.
Here's your "crossing lines" I was referring to. From one of the participants himself...Maybe it would have been more appropriate for this to be taken off line at this point?
64,000 members, hmm, that's pretty good considering how bad the moderation is here....
The fact remains that mods are not entitled to explain themselves. They may choose to do so, but their decisions aren't up for a popular vote, nor should they be.
As I suspected, Krut does this for free, yet everyone piles on DESPITE the fact that he fixed the problem. Everyone's more concerned about the problem rather than the solution...I'm not sure you guys realize how much of a headache stuff like this is for Moderators--no one likes abuse heaped on them--especially for a volunteer effort. Maybe we should start heckling candy stripers and those Salvation Army guys next?
This thread is going nowhere, I'm out.
I'd just recommend to those so quick to criticize to try moderating a site thats a labor of love for you sometime; it's so, so easy to be critical, but so, so much harder to mediate...
perfect example is this thread - a mod/admin who's normally quite inactive decides to be proactive because they let it get personal...and gets the call wrong (as evidenced by the thread they started trying to enlist support when being called out by their peers for overstepping). Sure seems that the actions were put to a popular vote to me.
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 769
Likes: 4
From: Michigan
Here's your "crossing lines" I was referring to. From one of the participants himself...
64,000 members, hmm, that's pretty good considering how bad the moderation is here....
The fact remains that mods are not entitled to explain themselves. They may choose to do so, but their decisions aren't up for a popular vote, nor should they be.
This thread is going nowhere, I'm out.
I'd just recommend to those so quick to criticize to try moderating a site thats a labor of love for you sometime; it's so, so easy to be critical, but so, so much harder to mediate...
64,000 members, hmm, that's pretty good considering how bad the moderation is here....
The fact remains that mods are not entitled to explain themselves. They may choose to do so, but their decisions aren't up for a popular vote, nor should they be.
This thread is going nowhere, I'm out.
I'd just recommend to those so quick to criticize to try moderating a site thats a labor of love for you sometime; it's so, so easy to be critical, but so, so much harder to mediate...
I am really disappointed in the way you, as a moderator, handled this situation. You hastily banned UKSUV without fully understanding the context of the posts. You saw the words "gay" and "HOMO" and that was enough for you because you were personally offended. Is UKSUV actually ACCUSING someone of being gay or homosexual in this thread? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! In no way are the posts written by UKSUV directed toward the Gay and Lesbian community. If they WERE, we would have a completely different situation here in which being banned would be warranted.
This is a matter of a poor choice of words on the OP's part, but it is certainly not grounds for being banned. Do you know how many times you hear "that's gay" being thrown around nowadays? By no means am I trying to justify the use of words, but honestly...everytime you hear that do you think the person is actually directing the words to the Gay and Lesbian community?!?!?!? More than likely, that person isn't even thinking of the Gay and Lesbian community.
This is a matter of a poor choice of words on the OP's part, but it is certainly not grounds for being banned. Do you know how many times you hear "that's gay" being thrown around nowadays? By no means am I trying to justify the use of words, but honestly...everytime you hear that do you think the person is actually directing the words to the Gay and Lesbian community?!?!?!? More than likely, that person isn't even thinking of the Gay and Lesbian community.
I'm not going to belabor the point and will eat a little crow - I think we all have differences of opinion - I went through and re-read this thread rather than skimming - first off in light of the hasty reply. I also read your response from your wife's account. It was well thought out and I didn't realize this was more of a jovial joust at each other rather than hard core comments. For that I apologize in not picking it up.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 769
Likes: 4
From: Michigan
And to Krut... Good call in reinstating UKSUV, and very humbling to appologize to the board. I as well take back my ill reguards directed towards the mods, but in the future, please dont read so much into a battle between good experienced guys such as these 2... Maybe focus more on the pissing matches between venders that's been going on, ie a certain shop in Cali and a certain shop in Mesa, AZ
Howabout I suggest you take a gaze at this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2739792
The thread includes some very well thought out opinions and responses to this rather tricky issue to moderate.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2739792
The thread includes some very well thought out opinions and responses to this rather tricky issue to moderate.
I'm not going to belabor the point and will eat a little crow - I think we all have differences of opinion - I went through and re-read this thread rather than skimming - first off in light of the hasty reply. I also read your response from your wife's account. It was well thought out and I didn't realize this was more of a jovial joust at each other rather than hard core comments. For that I apologize in not picking it up.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
You know those little *'s that pop up everytime someone get's in a bad mood and type's like the one in my heading... That's from a list of words the MODERAToR's chose as they are "BAD" words and could offend some members here that are either too uptight, or too lame... Justin (UKSUV) needs not appologize to anyone for this. Him and Chris (Tuls) get into this all over the boards and if you were doing your jobs you'd know this to be so. I to know a fellow NAMer who is of the "alternative lifestyle" ranks. Ask him what he thinks! It wsas never directed to that intent but yet again ****in' NAM has to step in like the dooche bags they are and ban a menber that has offered great advice over the years and helped out many people and has an amazing machine and done things that 98 percent of the uptight owners on here only dream of doing. If your gonna ban El JEFE... take other members of TEAM HALFASS with him. I don't wanna be a part of this anymore either as I have not been for sometime now. And for this very reason...
Vendors can get into it all they want because they bring people to the site or credability or $$$ to it. But members always get the shaft. Yea, that's moderation!!!
Long live UKSUV.....
Vendors can get into it all they want because they bring people to the site or credability or $$$ to it. But members always get the shaft. Yea, that's moderation!!!
Long live UKSUV.....
I did on a site this size for four years. I'll say again, the moderating on NAM sucks.
perfect example is this thread - a mod/admin who's normally quite inactive decides to be proactive because they let it get personal...and gets the call wrong (as evidenced by the thread they started trying to enlist support when being called out by their peers for overstepping). Sure seems that the actions were put to a popular vote to me.
perfect example is this thread - a mod/admin who's normally quite inactive decides to be proactive because they let it get personal...and gets the call wrong (as evidenced by the thread they started trying to enlist support when being called out by their peers for overstepping). Sure seems that the actions were put to a popular vote to me.
admit it... Hey, Id get pissed if my PMs were getting messaged around because a Mod thought a vendor should know what people think about him behind the scenes...
Howabout I suggest you take a gaze at this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2739792
The thread includes some very well thought out opinions and responses to this rather tricky issue to moderate.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2739792
The thread includes some very well thought out opinions and responses to this rather tricky issue to moderate.
Let's analyze your link, since you directed us to it.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2739180
Read the three pages of posts in the above-mentioned thread.
Read the three pages of posts in the above-mentioned thread.
"keep this between us"
And to Krut... Good call in reinstating UKSUV, and very humbling to appologize to the board. I as well take back my ill reguards directed towards the mods, but in the future, please dont read so much into a battle between good experienced guys such as these 2... Maybe focus more on the pissing matches between venders that's been going on, ie a certain shop in Cali and a certain shop in Mesa, AZ
how bout you give me a call...
actually, not sure what you're referring to or that it has anything to do with this thread
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I'm not going to belabor the point and will eat a little crow - I think we all have differences of opinion - I went through and re-read this thread rather than skimming - first off in light of the hasty reply. I also read your response from your wife's account. It was well thought out and I didn't realize this was more of a jovial joust at each other rather than hard core comments. For that I apologize in not picking it up.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
However, I will still continue the course that the dialogue is a bit on the negative tone and if someone dropped into the middle of the thread they might think there's a nasty thread going on and it needs to be reported.
I'll reinstate your NAM permissions and privileges - understand we're working four to five people as admins and a handful of moderators. Most of us have full time jobs and work long hours for not much pay - when you add the workload of moderating and administrating a large site some corners may be cut. This is unfortunately a case where that happened and it was my fault. It's not an excuse, it just happened.
So apologies to Mr. UKSUV - if you're at the Dragon or our paths cross allow me to buy you a beer.
. Moderating a forum is tiring and sucks for no pay. But it has to be done. You have retards (no offense to the metally slow community) out there that ACTUALLY bring the boards down. I APPRECIATE my friends coming to my aide. That means a lot to me . I linked over to the QoC thread and there are still things that bother me. In the thread, the posters comment that the "gay" reference was ignorance on my part. No...I know exactly what I said and how I said it. It's one of those definitions you learn at an early age. What I DONT GET is after I spelled it out earlier in my last post as a legit definition...why the masses keep trying to link it to a G&LC reference
. That's the part that gets me the most. I grew up around the G&LC and dont see hate like most people. If you are who you are..so be it. That's YOUR life...no one elses. Hate is for uneducated people. But its like people WANT it to be that and not accept anything else. Maybe you see that on a daily basis in your parts but not in mine. Shyt...I have been to quite a few gay clubs with friends. I really dont care. Guys hit on me all the time. WHO CARES. Black, White, Mexican, Chinese, straight, gay, crooked....WHO CARES. You see where Im going with this? We all make mistakes. But, I didnt want this to become a bashing session about anything and everything. People need to live theyre own lives and not be concerned about what others are doing. Everyone would be happier that way. All-in-all I appreciate what has gone down in here. But, I think I should take a step back from NAM for a bit. Im always on here and should be doing other things with my time. As far as as the CF moonroof....we are making mine for now and MAYBE one for Sushi if he learns how to cuddle me better
. If you want one (any variation) I will see what I can do. They will have my moonroof assy so they can do anything. Just email me at uksuv08@gmail.com . The guys making mine might pop up on the boards and start producing these along with CF roof overlays.Thanks everyone.....but I think the thread should be locked so it doesnt turn into a TRUE heated debate.
Its been mentioned once in this thread...but mods, if you don't like the words: gay, homo, douche. ADD THEM TO THE WORD FILTER!!!
Especially if people can be banned for using them in a way that is not intended to be offensive.
Especially if people can be banned for using them in a way that is not intended to be offensive.
This thread got shut down quicker then any other threads I can name a few of the more recent ones but this thread is about CF moon roof replacements. I know what that is its like what others said before my post here... The moderation on this site is too slanted if it pertains to anything like a personal attack they step right on in as if its like school shooting but no its pretty much friends giving each other SHYT. Some people need to get some thicker skin if they see stuff like what previously said to another person in any thread. They are friends not 2 joe shmoes who never have met. The joe shmoes are the ones who don't have thick enough skin and don't take the time to realize that there are friends on here that like to fling poo at eachother.