Suspension is exactly the same as on all the other MINI's. Either you have the sportsuspension, no sportsuspension or the JCW 10mm package.

 

Alan, I think a lot of 335 owners would disagree with your assertion about its ability to put power down effectively and I surmise that 135 owners will not be of a different opinion.

If we're playing the wanting something the MINI isn't supposed to be game, I'd toss the weight of AWD and the torque steer and fun sapping FWD in favour of RWD.

 

Oh, please. Show me a driver of a modern 300hp, 3,500lb RWD BMW that complains about power delivery, and I'll show you a driver seriously lacking talent.

 

I thought that I had seen Motoring File reporting that there would be a track-biased suspension option...not just the JCW dealer installed suspension.
If the standard JCW is the best they can offer, then it will be time to embrace the aftermarket components with a coilover system, bars, control arms, etc.

 

MCS JCW vs. 135i vs. STi...
Whichever sells the most around the world is the top winner.

 

my money is on the 135i.

 

The JCW suspension is actually pretty good.

 

So there is more info on the car in motoring file from the factory press release..check it out when you can..

 

Have you noticed the new JCW has different side repeaters?

They look like the ones on the challenge car. I wonder if there will be some way that i can buy them and put them on my cooper s

 

Actually, that is where I saw the reference to a more track ready suspension.

Offering a Works car with the standard base suspension and then forcing the buyer to dish out more money for the JCW package and the dealer installation fee may be all it takes for me to buy the 135i, which at least has all of the necessary mechanical parts in the base car. This is getting rather frustrating, to say the least as I would prefer a small car, which the 135i is not.

 

Do you mean the side scuttles?

 

some numbers from EVO mag on the new STI vs. the Stg 1 JCW (separate tests so the data isn't as valid as it could be, but still relevant as the gap is HUGE).

STI - 0-60 in 4.8sec.
Stg 1 JCW - 0-60 in 7.6sec.

Before you get all bent, yes, it's not the Stg 2 and yes, we can expect it to be faster. Into the sixes for sure, but the high side most likely. My buddy's 7600lb Sequoia is as fast (though I wouldn't bother turning at those speeds )

 

Huh? There is data out there that a stock R56 MCS will consistently get into the high 5s and you claim that the factory JCW will be a second slower?

 

Though that STI result sounds about as optimistic as I have seen so far, there isn't much hope for the JCW getting anywhere near five.

 

dude the stock r56 does it in 6.7. and 7 seconds would be on the slow side. Edmunds got like 6.5 and Car and Driver got 6.2. for the stock car mind you. and i remember reading a post on here from Helix Motorsport (i think thats the name) where they were testing 0-60 time right out of the dealership's parking lot, and they were getting 7.0. so obviously the JCW Stage anything would be faster than that. i would like to know where you found that number.

 

maybe they are dyslexic and meant 6.7

 

Racing technology gives them 21 lb wheels?

 

They aren't super light, are they? Nice looking, though. One thing about super light wheels is that they are either VERY expensive, or not very strong. And MINI will need these wheels to last the lifetime of the car, so they have to be strong.

So I'll give them a bit of a break on the weight. I know I'd sacrifice some weight to have a set of those, I love the look!

 

21 lbs does not even qualify as light in general for a wheel that size. Light wheels could be forged and, therefore, strong. There is no need for JCW wheels to be "super light", but if they are going to refer to heavy wheels as light then it makes me wonder what else in the press release is marketing hype.

 

no.

I told you where.

I don't claim anything.

 

Top Gear (stating BMW's data):

 

So, what's your point? We don't get the Corsa, Clio, or any other 'super-minis' over here, so a comparison with the MCS is meaningless...and they do state the JCW should be "comfortably quicker" than either.

And you're comparing the MCS JCW Stage 1, for all intents and purposes a $23k car, to the STI, which is a $35k car? That's aside from the fact that those numbers have been proven to be an anomaly...so you can't extrapolate factory JCW numbers from them.

 

You have to remember this is a Mini Cooper,It's never going to be the fastest or the absolute best at any thing,but it sure is a great little car that is to much fun to drive and that seems to be the bottom line...whatever floats your boat...

 

What is the average weight for a 17x7 alloy wheel coming on a car from the factory? I'd bet it is a lot greater than 21 lbs.

Forged wheels are typically much more expensive, which is what I was getting at earlier.

What would these have had to have weighed for you to consider them 'light'?

 

We do get the WRX, the STI, R32, the MS3 among others.

nothing has been proven in this thread about the STI's numbers being an anomaly - those figures are par for the course for the USDM STI going back to the 2003 intro.

I'm saying EVO's measured performance of a Stg 1 is unimpressive. BMW's numbers for the Stg 2 aren't much better. And yes, I'm comparing a low $30k JCW to a mid $30k STI - here's a hint: compact, turbo, fun to drive, premium car. The list is short and these two are competitors, no matter how much you'd like to think otherwise. The VW R32 is another in the category