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Upper motor mount was replaced under warranty some time ago. Now the lower mount was done. Dealer noticed the failure while doing oil change on my 2016 f54 1.5l.
1) What was the issue with the lower motor mount, any symptoms?
2) Also, can the lower motor mount be called "lower stabilizer link"?
Upper motor mount was replaced under warranty some time ago. Now the lower mount was done. Dealer noticed the failure while doing oil change on my 2016 f54 1.5l.
Tio - Glad to see you on the Forum... How many miles? Was this Keeler? I wonder what is in the future for my 2019 JCW?
Hey! The mount that the dealer (Keeler) replaced was the lower ‘dogbone’ mount for F54 auto 1.5l and BMW X-1 2.0. I don’t recall any looseness but it does fell tight now. Car has 33k mi now; right upper mount replaced at ca 20k. Tech found rubber coming apart
Can't believe how many motor mounts are having rubber tearing away. Of all the right things they did to bring the B-series to market, they just gotta find these cheap rubbers to fail us somehow. If that dog-bone lower mount can fail on the 1.5L, I'd imagine situation to be amplifiable on the 2-liter. Time to investigate if 3-M rubber weld can help prevent that problem.
I have a 2015 Cooper S with 35K miles. In the fall of last year, I brought it in for an oil service, and upon inspection they told me my upper mount was in need of replacement. They also told me I was out of warranty and it would cost $1800. I was enraged that a car with that low milage would need new motor mounts. I've owned Hondas and BMW's with over 150K that never needed such repairs. After bitching with the service managers for over a week, they relented, and did the work for free. It has left a bad taste in my mouth since. I love my Mini, but I think the love affair will end with this car. Will look to find me an older e92/93 M3 next time.
Can't believe how many motor mounts are having rubber tearing away. Of all the right things they did to bring the B-series to market, they just gotta find these cheap rubbers to fail us somehow. If that dog-bone lower mount can fail on the 1.5L, I'd imagine situation to be amplifiable on the 2-liter. Time to investigate if 3-M rubber weld can help prevent that problem.
That is unfortunate... So I took my car in almost two weeks ago for engine, transmission mount, some odd noise when in gear and some wind noise(but it seems all of them have that "wind passing by" noise). Still haven't heard from the dealer. Hopping for tomorrow or next day. They gave me a loaner F56 MCS 2020 and honestly the quality control is not good. The door weather strip on the passenger side was pinched under B-Pillar. I couldn't look at this and corrected the issue. I am not even mentioning rattles... Another thing is that right and left covers under the hood are not there(new design?) and expose the back side of both fenders.(image provided) My 2016 has rubber/plastic pieces covering the holes.
I have a 2015 Cooper S with 35K miles. In the fall of last year, I brought it in for an oil service, and upon inspection they told me my upper mount was in need of replacement. They also told me I was out of warranty and it would cost $1800. I was enraged that a car with that low milage would need new motor mounts. I've owned Hondas and BMW's with over 150K that never needed such repairs. After bitching with the service managers for over a week, they relented, and did the work for free. It has left a bad taste in my mouth since. I love my Mini, but I think the love affair will end with this car. Will look to find me an older e92/93 M3 next time.
$1800?! For this price you could by a used vehicle! Guess you got lucky and/or MINI already had a lot of negativity from customers.
I asked my dealer to evaluate the upper engine mount along with some other stuff.
Hence my outrage at Mini. I’m sure the dealer charged many customers that didn’t put up a stink.
Originally Posted by Imperial
$1800?! For this price you could by a used vehicle! Guess you got lucky and/or MINI already had a lot of negativity from customers.
I asked my dealer to evaluate the upper engine mount along with some other stuff.
Hence my outrage at Mini. I’m sure the dealer charged many customers that didn’t put up a stink.
I always had Japanese cars, Toyota/Scion and Acura. No such issues expect 1 recall on Scion and 2 recalls on Acura and the rest were just maintenance items.
The 2016 MCS is my first MINI that I bought a year ago with <20K on it. I specifically made sure that it still had ~ 2 year warranty left, so MINI would help me fix it. It already went through lower control arms replacement, upper strut mount noise when cold, was fixed by replacing front struts. Rear view mirror was leaking rain sensor gel and after couple of attempts to fix, MINI just replaced the mirror. Door stop rubber was deformed, so it was replaced on driver side doors. Center nut on rear shocks supposedly came a bit loose, so the tech did troubleshoot many things and while doing that tightened aforementioned nut and clunk went away. My dealer had seen me enough in 2019 and just began to see me in 2020 as well. Honestly, how can a fresh car have that many issues to begin with?! Then as a customer I am starting to question the reliability... I just want MINI to replace/repair all items that are needed while in warranty so I can have a worry free driving experience for at least 4 or 5 years to come.
Here’s the 2020 JCW Clubman mount. Part 22116886196
The rubber doesn’t appear reinforced at all. What does appear updated is the part I marked with the red dot. That’s metal on this mount and pictures of the older version appear to be plastic. Can anyone confirm it’s plastic on your old style?
One of Warren2185’s photos also show this part is almost coming off the main aluminum frame (green arrow).
I've ordered the 2020 JCW motor mount, too, haven't received it yet. Was going to post some findings here, but you've beat me to it, which is great either way.
Looking at your photo here, I can tell you that the aluminum framing will not make it any better. The common failure point isn't really associated with that framing. The tear is normally right around the upper area of the inside. The only benefit to their upgrade with that aluminum framing is likely going to be minimal and abysmal in trying to prevent the fluid reservoir from leaking. Among all the bells and whistles in newer and beefier engine design, this mount is the Achilles heel. Luckily we can address it by adding reinforcement rubber weld on our own.
It has been more than 2 weeks since I left my MINI at the dealership shop for engine and transmission mounts. Don't know what take them that long to look at items I asked them to?! The passenger upper engine mount on my car either had a crease or small crack, will see if they replace it or not.
It has been more than 2 weeks since I left my MINI at the dealership shop for engine and transmission mounts. Don't know what take them that long to look at items I asked them to?! The passenger upper engine mount on my car either had a crease or small crack, will see if they replace it or not.
Ummm maybe because there's a global pandemic that is slowing literally everything down? Less techs on hand, less parts people, less delivery people, less people working in manufacturing. You also brought it there for a non-emergent repair. Like a hospital, cars get priority over others based on their symptoms. Your slightly rough motor mounts aren't priority over someone finishing a big repair job. Shops are also prioritizing based on the customer. Essential workers (health care workers, grocery store workers, public servants) are getting priority as they need their cars back before non-essential workers.
Ummm maybe because there's a global pandemic that is slowing literally everything down? Less techs on hand, less parts people, less delivery people, less people working in manufacturing. You also brought it there for a non-emergent repair. Like a hospital, cars get priority over others based on their symptoms. Your slightly rough motor mounts aren't priority over someone finishing a big repair job. Shops are also prioritizing based on the customer. Essential workers (health care workers, grocery store workers, public servants) are getting priority as they need their cars back before non-essential workers.
That I can understand, but I would like the service advisor to at least keep me up to date. Things such as "we ordered parts and they should be here in X number of days" would be helpful.
That I can understand, but I would like the service advisor to at least keep me up to date. Things such as "we ordered parts and they should be here in X number of days" would be helpful.
It is unfortunate that MINI dealerships seem to run the gambit of really good, good, bad and ugly. It hurts MINI in general to have the bad and ugly out there. I have one that treats me well, generally (but currently owe me a call... Hmmm). I also know that mine is light on staff, so that could be a reason for yours not getting info to you. Even so, hope you get some news soon.
It is unfortunate that MINI dealerships seem to run the gambit of really good, good, bad and ugly. It hurts MINI in general to have the bad and ugly out there. I have one that treats me well, generally (but currently owe me a call... Hmmm). I also know that mine is light on staff, so that could be a reason for yours not getting info to you. Even so, hope you get some news soon.
I hope so. This coming Wednesday it is going to be exactly 3 weeks since I left my car with them. I did call the dealership past Tuesday and spoke with a lady at the reception desk. She said that my service advisor is with a customer but she asked him about my car. He told her that car is in the shop and they are diagnosing it. I pretty much gave dealership all the technical service bulletin #s with videos of the issues. At least this would make things easier for them.
I have a 2015 Cooper S with 35K miles. In the fall of last year, I brought it in for an oil service, and upon inspection they told me my upper mount was in need of replacement. They also told me I was out of warranty and it would cost $1800. I was enraged that a car with that low milage would need new motor mounts. I've owned Hondas and BMW's with over 150K that never needed such repairs. After bitching with the service managers for over a week, they relented, and did the work for free. It has left a bad taste in my mouth since. I love my Mini, but I think the love affair will end with this car. Will look to find me an older e92/93 M3 next time.
I have had to have motor mounts replaced on other vehicles, over the years, and the cost was no where near that!
BTW, due to Covin-19, my local MINI dealership's building is completely closed. They are doing sales online, and for service, they are sending everyone directly over to BMW. I can easily envision that the BMW service manager could care less about any MINI owner's satisfaction.
I just received the updated 2020 JCW motor mount in the mail this weekend. Also checked out differences, there really isn't any difference besides the upper fluid casing becoming aluminum rather than plastic. But the rubber joints and the rubber shape are all the same, no changes. I reckon those buying 300hp 2020-2021 mini's will be dealing with the motor mount nightmare coming up. It absolutely needs reinforcement.
I just received the updated 2020 JCW motor mount in the mail this weekend. Also checked out differences, there really isn't any difference besides the upper fluid casing becoming aluminum rather than plastic. But the rubber joints and the rubber shape are all the same, no changes. I reckon those buying 300hp 2020-2021 mini's will be dealing with the motor mount nightmare coming up. It absolutely needs reinforcement.
Maybe this aluminum part was added for aesthetics, so it would look better
I did it, followed the instructions ECS put in. It was pretty easy. You might want a couple of different socket extension lengths. The front mount to frame bolt is annoying to get at. Otherwise it's pretty straightforward. Hmu if you have any questions.
Amulk, could you please tell me where exactly you supported the engine? And maybe how? Like, just a regular jack in a certain spot, or a chunk of wood over an area, or.....? It's not like changing a tire where there are clearly defined support points....
Tim
Most places do, but you could contact them and check first. They take PayPal, so the exchange is already built in. I have ordered things from France using PayPal and it came to the US no issue.
It does look like a nice part. It is also ~$425 US.
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Amulk, could you please tell me where exactly you supported the engine? And maybe how? Like, just a regular jack in a certain spot, or a chunk of wood over an area, or.....? It's not like changing a tire where there are clearly defined support points....
Tim
Not the person you replied to, but I did it with a floor jack accompanied by a 2x4 piece of thick wood going parallel to the axle supporting the oil pan. This worked without issue even when the engine sank down after taking out the busted engine mount.
Not sure if they export to the US or not. Looks like they improved the OEM part quite a but.
Looks like this would do the job, but the increase in vibration may not be acceptable to some people. Also safety considerations, oem mount is designed to break away in crash.
