Well, I was going to post just to get to be #500, but Spider beat me to it! Darn, always the bridesmaid, never the bride...or something like that.
And the DF scoop is not even as good as it could be...

 

Hey, I'll give you the win. You started the next 100....

 

I thought I was the only one with this bizarre logic -

my org scoop blew off the car !

 

I was oblivious......

nothing is as good as it could/can be.....

 

Sometimes any excuse is a good excuse

That goes along with "What the wife doesn't know won't hurt her"

 

Back on topic - Is this thread dead?? Any more DFIC data out there
BUMP BUMP BUMP and BUMP

 

Judging by the looks of this thread it's dead.

 

long fuse
small bang
party's over??

 

Pretty rude there Mr. Obehave.......

The DFIC has been scrutinized and tested well and above every other IC on the market, and all the numbers including TonyB's and Matt's has proven
that the DFIC performs better in all variables. If you like to add someting to the discussion feel free to do some additional testing to prove that your
GRS is better.....

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

That's quite a statment. The "DFIC peforms better in all variables" compared to what? OE, GRS, Alta, etc......? There is nothing conclusive on this thread.
"But the short of it is, if you're happy with what you have, why change it?

Matt"
Which leads to....
I don't see where Obehave said anything that is about your DFIC, only a refrence to this thread.
This is not a mine's better than yours thread is it?

 

As I've said all along, the DFIC gives you much better access to the spark plugs. The TE of 71% (Dr O.) is unimpressive. The pressure drop of 1.2 psi (Dr O.) is also unimpressive. Yes, there are other numbers from MSFITOY indicating a substantially higher TE. I am pretty sure that the 200-odd people who laid down the rather long green for the DFIC are pretty satisfied with the purchase, I know I am. I can't feel any improvement over the stock IC, but I'm on record saying I'm the most insenstive MINI driver on the planet! I appreciate the -theory- of the DFIC: the horizontal air flow just seems like a good idea, especially if you can get good clean cool air *IN* and find some way to get the hot turbulent air *OUT*. Most of us are woeful in the second part for sure...
I still like the spark plug access point.
cheers,

 

My numbers have been very consistant...I'll repeat myself...

1-steady 75mph cruise...AIT temp is at or below 10F relative to ambient!
2-WOT, with help of water/meth injection...AIT temp is at or below ambient!
3-heat soak temps dissapate to within normal operating temp within 3 minutes of steady air flow...

All the numbers I have gathered since the beginning of my Ram Intake Project when I was using the Alta TMIC till the present has shown without a doubt the greater efficiency of the DFIC over all other IC that I have used...period

 

If other IC's had the built-in bungs, comparisons would be so much easier, and this discussion less problematic.

Pressure drop-wise, my AutoMeter boost guage recently recorded a higher max pressue than I ever got with the GRS, but not by much. And data-logging, while not ideal at 5 second sampling, revealed lower max IAT's with the DFIC; I believe it was 18 degrees F. And this was compared against a modified / improved GRS unit, with Extreme Scoop. This scoop alone (stock IC), with BimCom data-logging, and Dr O's analysis, was shown to yield more gains than the GRS with stock scoop. The GRS, mated with the Extreme Scoop, did even better, as would expect. The DFIC was compared to this set-up...

Let's face it, when other IC's came-out, we typically got a useless dyno figure, at best. If more numbers were provided, they were from the Community, and generally much later after release.

The DFIC, almost since inception, had bungs as there was a desire to evaluate it's effectiveness, and to allow folks to finally test for efficiency easily and properly. The DFIC is the benchmark in this regard, and if other IC's come to market for us, I would hope that they also include these bungs so there can finally be better comparisions...

 

BTW...my reading are from three seperate locations...pre-IC, post-IC and the factory sensor further downstream...

 

Thank you. It was in reference to the thread.

We did wait a while for the results. Not without reason for sure.

The results were not earth shaking. This is no way means this is a bad product and I did not infer that.

At the point where I said "party's over?" it was looking like a whithering thread.

Now to be honest I have seen nothing as far as product efficiency that proves this is any more efficient that what I have.
"My butt dyno" and "it feels better" just don't cut it. The same things were said about other IC. The same ICs that are now being poo pooed as less than worthy.

I do like the design. It's a different way of thinking which is always very cool especially when it works. Access to the plugs is a big plus.

So, no Peter I was not and am not taking a cut at the DFIC.
I am still allowed my opinion though aren't I?

 

So I guess TonyB's 18 degree difference is not a big deal then.....
Or did his testing count for nothing.

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

you guys are married also no doubt . the logic tends to do an adaptive learn run kinda deal after marriage . after i'd say 6 mons. bam!!! a new algorithym!!! and there's the new improved (forced ) logic.

 

dig it .... damb honey !!! my intercooler sh$t the bed!!! no way am i payin ' the dealer that price ....oh look here's one at this company called m7...

 

1. What is "the 18 degree difference" referring to?
2. Farenheit or Centigrade?

 

Ooopps, I just read Tony's post again - Sorry

 

You talking about this post?
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...15&postcount=3

I respect Tony a lot but this post doesn't prove much on it's own.
Just a difference in wind direction can affect temps this much. No mention if it was the exact same stretch of road, the exact same RPM, for the exact same period of time, in the exact same gear, etc. I could go on for a while about variables that can effect temp readings.

So one guy(sorry Tony) saying that one time he got 18º temp deltas isn't scientific or all that thorough.

Bear in mind there are few people on this board that I respect more than Tony. That was the only reason I didn't question the results the time they were posted.

Now that you seem to want to have a go about something when in reality I have no issues with your product.... well then let's have a go

 

Have there been any comparisons of real world performance, e.g. 0-60 or 40-70 acceleration time? The parameters measured so far are useful, but they might not necessarily show the effect of the total package. The bottom line question is, how much faster (if at all) does it make the car go?

 

No - those would be numbers, acceleration numbers to be exact. No one needs numbers when everyone's pants feel much quicker.

18 degrees is all you need to know. 0-60: 18 degrees. 40-70: 18 degrees. Oprah Winfrey's weight on Mars: 18 degrees dammit.

 

I used 40-60 times... But the car has changed since I did that, so I need to do a new baseline with the stock set-up..... The car is in flux for a couple more weeks, then I think I'll have time to do both set-ups back to back....

Matt