[quote=Trickle X]Joe S, the turbo is much more efficiant than a supercharger. For the same given amount of boost, the turbo will produce more power. No parasitic loss.[/

ahhh... thank you very much for the info . i had no idea a turbo was that much more power efficient.but from what i understand, a turbo kit is a lot more money than a super charger.(talking about all cars in general)

 

Dont get me wrong.... the fit...great, but I mean not much to get wrong. The Dp , header and turbo- throttle pipe are all the pipes....I just expect more from the kit... I needed to goto the store more then I expected. There technical service is great, and great in helping trying to work out some problems.

 

Im a little confused. You stated that "The downpipe was the only thing that didnt need tweaking." then you stated "the fit...great" What more did you expect from the kit? Can you give some details on what you meant? What did you have to go to the store for? Just trying to get a little more info for us that are looking to get the kit.

 

Dude, you've just bashed their product and now you're saying they fit greatI think you owed them an phone call or get this right before trash them

 

We have recently completed a twurbo install on our shop car. Took about 2 days to get it all done. To make things easier on us we removed the entire front end and drained all the fluid. p/s, oil, and coolant so as not to make a big mess. There are definatley a few confusing parts during the install but Jeff at Alta is just a phone call away and is more than happy to help work out any problems. Not to mention all the help people on this forum are ( trickle x, tuls, spillman to name a few)

All I can say post install is that around 13-14psi where the wastegate actuator will not allow any more boost without a MBC, this thing is fast. Our car had the 380cc injectors and Giac software. AFR at WOT is right around 11-11.5. This weekend we will install altas 550cc injectors and an apexi neo unit and take it to trickle's level around 20psi.

Also if you have a problem and cant talk to Jeff at Alta being too late in the evening or weekend, just post your problem on nam and someone will give you some insight.

-Cliff

 

I think there is some clearing up needed.

Fizz installed a kit, as far as we know, using what the mechanic and i talked about, Fizz didn't have any problems with the install, except for the missing oil line restrictor. They had issues with smoking, and they couldn't figure it out (even after the oil restrictor was installed) and neither could we. This lead us to the turbo being a problem, as everything else was installed properly.

There was no mention of any boost tubes being off, or DP not fitting, or anything!

The mechanic i talked to said the end customer didn't want the kit installed anymore, as the more he thought about it, this wasn't the right path to take. We were never given the chance to replace the turbo, but it was offered.

Also the mechanic and i talked about a compression test. Not sure if this ever happened. Which would explain the smoking.

The Mechanic and i went over and over with double checking things prior to sending the turbo in for warranty. WE just just gotten to this point when the customer decided to go a different way.

I feel like ALTA did everything in our power, short of flying down there to check everything.

Using Cliffs findings you can see how safe the kit runs at the lowest boost level. And no smoke. Thanks Cliff for the backup, i can't wait until the boost is turned up!

Minis2,
PLEASE CALL US!! We can go over the install, and make sure everything is perfect! We even have instant messenger as another form of help.

This is a very important kit to us, and it is important to make safe and reliable. This kit has been installed with great sucess many times, and with no problems. Usings Cliffs findings to back up how safe the kit is, this kit, when installed correctly works!

If there are any questions, please call, we are here to help!

 

AS you said it could be a difictive turbo. When I call for help You guys pass the buck, telling me to talk to Fizz. I had to send in the turbo to you. You send it to your vendor....You did not offer to send me a new one right away. To help me fix the problem, Thats why I said take it out!!! Now you tell me YOU WILL NOT REFUND OR GIVE CREDIT on your product.

 

Holly cow man. Calm down. I have been involved with returning potentially defective products before. And in the automotive industry alot of times the product is shipped to 4 or 5 different suppliers and then back to the manufacturer.

Truth be told would you be willing to send a $1000 turbo as a replacement without inspecting the "defective" piece?

 

I work as a tech, one of my customer"s intercom/phone system went down due to an lighting strike. My vendor sent me a replacement next day (from Canada) Over $5000.00. So my customer has service. You think my customer is going to wait till I send it in, they look at it/ repair it and send it back?

 

I am not trying to make a personal attack on you but this is not the place to settle a dispute. You need to privately work things out with ALTA. Not publicly bash them.

 

I am trying to, All I want is an refund or credit.....

 

Minis2, You posted on 07-10-2006 that you JUST had the kit installed and on 07-13-2006 you want your money back or credit. I know how upset you can be, but do you feel that you really gave ALTA a chance to fix the problem? It has only been 3 days since you had the kit installed. I know how upsetting this can be. Im sure ALTA would do their BEST to get this solved. Your kit is new and Im sure your TURBO will be replaced. Just give it a little time to see what happens. Im sure you would be very happy with the kit once its all taken care of. I wish I had a Go FAST Twurbo kit in my mini....

 

Cliff, would you say taking off the front end makes the install much easier?

 

I know that you said it made it much easier for you guys but I did not know if you were recommending doing that for everyone installing the kit.

 

I would definately recommend removing the entire front end. Its not a huge deal to remove and it makes the small engine bay much easier to work in. The hardest part of the install I feel is the inlet tube from the throttle body to the supercharger. It is pretty aggrivating working on that piece without removing the radiator shroud. The bumper cover comes off with only 6 or so bolts. The rest of the front end is only 10 bolts or so. Only takes about 10 mins to get out of the way and like a I said before makes it much easier to work with that inlet tube.

Also I would recommend draining all the coolant and power steering at the beginning of the install so you don't wind up with a nasty mess later on.

 

lol, for sure. Yeah I have heard several people on here talk about that tube being a bit of a problem. But don't you just remove it and reseal it? I haven't looked at my instructions for a while. lol I have had the kit since Feburary and just got my car back like 2 weeks ago after 8 months of down time.

 

Oh yeah also I have been meaning to ask this for a while. When install my electric boost controller, will my source of boost to connect it to be the same as the source for my boost gauge.

 

Yes all you do is remove it and reseal it but that in itself is a time consuming process. Its in such a tight location that trying to work it off and through that tiny space is almost enough to pull hair out. Not to mention to ensure the piece is installed back on properly. It is very hard to see down in there without removing the bumper shroud. All in all I found it very much worth my time to remove the front end as it was 100 times easier to work with that piece.

 

You will have to tee into your hose going to your actuator for the electronic solenoid. For the actual control unit you can tee into you boost guage pressure line.

 

Thank you very much! Yeah I keep having delays on installing the kit on my car due to deer in the middle of the road or having to go to summer college classes so getting any tips to make the install go quicker are much appreciated.

 

Cliff, are you guys going the route of the Hydra EMS, or are using something else for the management.

 

We are using the apexi neo safc for fuel management right now. I definately want to switch with the hydra when it is available. The hydra is def the best option although it isnt really an option yet...

 

Is there a specific wire diagram for the MINI in the manual to wire up the apexi neo?

 

So for anyone who installs this kit and then decides to put on a CAT how do we do that? Do we need to get a different type of downpipe?

 

You would need to impletment the cat somewhere in the dp to be effective. This would require cutting the dp and welding in a cat. I will be doing this sometime soon. I will let you know how it goes.