How hard would 200 WHP be to obtain? Could I obtain it the standard way? Ie, pulley, cai, exhaust, software? Or would I have to jump the gun and go for some porting and polishing on the head?

 

I'll beat everyone to the punch on this, no slam intended, just trying to be helpful... do a search. I promise you'll find tons of discourse on this subject.

 

Ohh trust me I have just about every post out there! Still unsure if it's possible. Maybe I need to go re-read some of them then.

 

huh, I came up with 60 threads on that subject. I know I've followed some of them, shot my stupid mouth off on one of them, and from what I've read it is very possible. There seems to be different ways of getting there so it'll be how much money you want to dump on mods & your preferences of how you want do it.

 

Flyn, try starting here.

I really believe that what SpiderX says about the three levels of mods is correct.

 

Did I miss a link here?

 

SORRY!

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=55669

 

I thought thats the one you were refering too...

"I think that there are three levels of mods.

1) software, intake, pulley, catback

2) TB, head/cam, header, IC

3) Twincharge"

So the question comes again is stage 1 200 whp? or do I need to start moving up to stage 2 to do this?

 

NO. Stage 1 maybe 180 or so.

Stage 2 would be 200+ I guess but people like SpiderX could tell you since they have all that stuff. He is also right in that the sum of the parts is greater than the sum of the whole. IN other words, be prepared to do it all or dont bother, the incremental gains aint worth it. For example, You "could" add a TB today but you wont get much HP for the money since its a bigger pipe feeding a smaller pipe. BUT, once you got a better head, you would feel it.

I intend to follow that advice myself but got to SAVE $$$

 

Yah I wouldn't jump to 2 stage without a TB and ported head min.

I wounder if the dealer would ever notice a ported head

 

i went from 189whp to 198 with the apexi to fine tune A/F; then added larger injectors, re-tuned and hit 213. that was on top of headwork, 19%, etc.

many others have found similar gains from A/F tuning.

 

Why would you put a throttle body on your car when they have proven to do nothing on the dyno? That $400 would be better spent on a cam or head that actually makes power.

 

Ahh but on top of the Head work, right

 

Would there be a way to get it without going to a 19%, I would like to stay in that 15% range? I figure 200WHP is about what with losses maybe 230~240hp at the crank?

I guess ultimetly, how about RELIABLE 200 WHP .

And I am avoiding the Crank pulley after talking with a few engineering professors. but thats another story!

 

Spidey would be a good one to talk to about STAGE 9 modifications. Unlike the rest of us who bought a mini and then modded the car. He modded the parts by adding the car.

The problems with the mini is that every HP added is felt so once you start, it is hard to stop.

 

My car made almost 220whp. It was as reliable as they get. Never had a single issue. I only put 10K miles on mine, but it was a hard 10K that included a couple track days, "fun runs", 60 dyno pulls and over 100 passes down the 1/4 mile. I used a 15% pulley and no crank pulley. My car made 188whp with just a 15%pulley and nothing else. Wit ha few others things and an AFC I know it would have made 200 whp with basic bolt ons.

 

You can get alot out of the AFC. After my head, cam, injectors and stuff I brought it to the dyno and only made 174whp. That was a loss of 14whp from when I only had a pulley. The dyno chart was real choppy. After we smoothed things out on the dyno, the car made 211 whp that day.

 

Uhhh...gee...5 grand will buy you a system to make anywhere from 250 to 430 WHP. It's the Twincharger kit(also known as the TurboKompressor) and is "readily available". With that said, you will DEFINITELY viod your warranty (intake, pulley, software, exhaust, TURBOCHARGER, etc...) and even with an LSD you will encounter5 insane amounts of wheelspin at WOT.

Basically, yes, 200WHP is possible. Or 400. If you're power hungry.

 

The secret to 200 WHP is to find a " friendly " dyno as some seem to have. Some of the numbers around here are beyond amazing.

 

Did ya read level 3, post #8. Its already been discussed.

If you want real power, go over to MINI 2 and read Kumhos (el diabilito) 300 TH thread. FTR is supposed to be selling their bits and pieces soon

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

'<Movie Quote with Russian Voice> " 200 Wheel Horse Power possible, but not RECOMMENDED" '</Movie Quote>

 

And 5K will NEVER get you a twincharge kit that makes 430whp. There is a whole hell of a lot more than buying that kit, bolting it on and making 430whp. Thers that whole labor thing as well. I am sure plenty of people can install the kit, but I am not so sure about your average wrench putting pistons in a motor.

 

I was able to prove my cars power in a way no one else can even come close

But you are right, dyno's do read all over the board.
I guess there is no replacement for the 3rd gear 3000-6000 pull...

 

jlm whats this apexi a/f tuner ur referring to?