Drivetrain Randy Webb's new exhaust
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From: Salt Lake City
Originally Posted by yojedi
So Randy's new exhaust run $875 w/o the valve (as I don't really mind the manual by-pass plate). Supposely it is one of the lightest and the highest hp gain (10+ hp) after-market exhaust for MCS. Being that I only intend to "occassionally" track my car, it is really worth it? I know, answer to this can be rather subjective, but just want to get your take on this.
I also have my eyes on a set of Borla Sport (or Race, supposely the same thing). Very close in hp gain and costs about $150 less. Can't seem to decide which is a more sensible choice. Does anyone know which is louder? I like throaty sound but don't want it LOUD.
Chime in, guys
I also have my eyes on a set of Borla Sport (or Race, supposely the same thing). Very close in hp gain and costs about $150 less. Can't seem to decide which is a more sensible choice. Does anyone know which is louder? I like throaty sound but don't want it LOUD.
Chime in, guys
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From: Irvine, California
Is there any plan to make the exhaust without the cutout? For example, could you just use the same muffler as the driver's side on the passenger side as well, and just have a 2-muffler system with no bypass?
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From: Hampton, VA
Originally Posted by Strom
Is there any plan to make the exhaust without the cutout? For example, could you just use the same muffler as the driver's side on the passenger side as well, and just have a 2-muffler system with no bypass?
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From: Back in AZ
Originally Posted by Strom
Is there any plan to make the exhaust without the cutout? For example, could you just use the same muffler as the driver's side on the passenger side as well, and just have a 2-muffler system with no bypass?
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From: Irvine, California
Originally Posted by obehave
I'd think you'd be better off with just 1 muffler. Save weight, expense and it's supposed to already be as quiet as the Milltek.
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From: Irvine, California
Originally Posted by MiniMeg06
I talk to Brian the other day and asked him the same question. They have way to many projects right now. I think if more poeple keep asking this, they will do it.
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I didnt explain this to MINIMeg, but a two muffler system would be much more expensive than the current model. The muffler is where most of the cost is coming from.
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
When will they be out on the market? We actually installed our second production model this week at our shop. However, as some of you may allready know, we are having trouble getting our current manufacturer to commit to our orders. We are now looking into ways of speeding up the process, so the systems make it to our customers in a timely manner. As soon as the production kinks are worked out, you will see them flowing out into the market.
-Brian
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
When will they be out on the market? We actually installed our second production model this week at our shop. However, as some of you may allready know, we are having trouble getting our current manufacturer to commit to our orders. We are now looking into ways of speeding up the process, so the systems make it to our customers in a timely manner. As soon as the production kinks are worked out, you will see them flowing out into the market.
-Brian
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From: Irvine, California
Originally Posted by Brian@WebbMotorsports
I didnt explain this to MINIMeg, but a two muffler system would be much more expensive than the current model. The muffler is where most of the cost is coming from.
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
When will they be out on the market? We actually installed our second production model this week at our shop. However, as some of you may allready know, we are having trouble getting our current manufacturer to commit to our orders. We are now looking into ways of speeding up the process, so the systems make it to our customers in a timely manner. As soon as the production kinks are worked out, you will see them flowing out into the market.
-Brian
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
When will they be out on the market? We actually installed our second production model this week at our shop. However, as some of you may allready know, we are having trouble getting our current manufacturer to commit to our orders. We are now looking into ways of speeding up the process, so the systems make it to our customers in a timely manner. As soon as the production kinks are worked out, you will see them flowing out into the market.
-Brian
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From: Hampton, VA
Originally Posted by Strom
What about a system that doesn't have the passenger side piping - that only has the driver side + muffler? Would that actually be less expensive?
Not initially. You would have new design and production costs. If demand were low it may actually not save money at all.
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Originally Posted by obehave
Not initially. You would have new design and production costs. If demand were low it may actually not save money at all.
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From: Hampton, VA
Originally Posted by SpiderX
after watching the "process" of getting this relatively complex unit together..... I could not agree more...... they havce their hands full getting production up on this one..... people are going to like it..... I WILL have it at the Dragon with switch for those of you who want to check it out
You going to have one of those big car show mirros under your car??
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Originally Posted by Brian@WebbMotorsports
I didnt explain this to MINIMeg, but a two muffler system would be much more expensive than the current model. The muffler is where most of the cost is coming from.
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
Like some people have allready said, this is a STREET system that is capable of being a track exhaust. That was our goal. I have gotten several calls and comments asking for a street system without the cutout, but we dont really see the point. It IS a street exhaust.
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From: Concord, California
Legality ... ???
If you are in CA and REALLY worried about legality ...
You can't do ANY modifications.
Vehicle code 27151 change that amplifies or increase noise
No cut out is section 27150
If you are in CA and REALLY worried about legality ...
You can't do ANY modifications.
Vehicle code 27151 change that amplifies or increase noise
No cut out is section 27150
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Originally Posted by bpago
Legality ... ???
If you are in CA and REALLY worried about legality ...
You can't do ANY modifications.
Vehicle code 27151 change that amplifies or increase noise
No cut out is section 27150
If you are in CA and REALLY worried about legality ...
You can't do ANY modifications.
Vehicle code 27151 change that amplifies or increase noise
No cut out is section 27150
and the cutout law was my point up there...if they could make one with two mufflers instead of one and a cutout then i might want one...
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From: Naw-folk, VA
Waiting ever so patiently...
I don't see much point to selling the system without the bypass. Really, what's the point? If it ends up putting out 3-4 more hp over milltek and magnaflow closed..then ok, I could see some sense in it maybe.. but even then, from a production standpoint, you're talking about a unit that will be built to have a bypass... they'll have to retool and raise the expense to do without the bypass altogether to make it a single muffler system altogether.
KISS... Keep it simple (Silly?) lol
Randy, Brian... I'm waiting till the bypass is ready to go, with switch and all that. I have a feeling once a few ppl see it on SpiderX's car at the Dragon, the demand will shoot right up. I still love the idea of on demand loudness to blaze thru our underwater tunnels here in Norfolk.
Not to mention that I'm going to my first Autocross tomorrow... can't wait for that experience!
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Originally Posted by F15EWeapon
I don't see much point to selling the system without the bypass. Really, what's the point? If it ends up putting out 3-4 more hp over milltek and magnaflow closed..then ok, I could see some sense in it maybe.. but even then, from a production standpoint, you're talking about a unit that will be built to have a bypass... they'll have to retool and raise the expense to do without the bypass altogether to make it a single muffler system altogether.
Not much thought, planning, engineering..design..has to go into that one....
and again..the point would be for all the people in cali to have the system on their car legally...
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From: Concord, California
depending on the officer and the section that you are sited for
95 decibles (measured 50 " from the centerline of travel)
guess why "side pipes" are popular.
cut out NO in CA !!!
and if this is sold in CA and not marked for racing or offroad ... RANDY (WEBB MOTORSPORTS) will be responsible for replacing !
I seem to be working the exhaust thing on many vehicles.
and I am modified but not STUPID LOUD (read Harley open pipes)
Been cited a number of times and got out of all of them (so far) because the section of citation doesn't match the officers explination in court.
SAME FOR Speeding lots of ways to get out of those
but cant talk about that here
95 decibles (measured 50 " from the centerline of travel)
guess why "side pipes" are popular.
cut out NO in CA !!!
and if this is sold in CA and not marked for racing or offroad ... RANDY (WEBB MOTORSPORTS) will be responsible for replacing !
I seem to be working the exhaust thing on many vehicles.
and I am modified but not STUPID LOUD (read Harley open pipes)
Been cited a number of times and got out of all of them (so far) because the section of citation doesn't match the officers explination in court.
SAME FOR Speeding lots of ways to get out of those
but cant talk about that here
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From: Concord, California
I thought you can't talk about street racing or speeding as per rules of forum
From guidlines ...
LEGAL
Posts relating to street racing, excessive speeding, or violations of other laws are prohibited. If you want to race, take it to a legal venue.
I woulD the also guess that the LEGAL part of this discussion is FORBIDDEN ???
From guidlines ...
LEGAL
Posts relating to street racing, excessive speeding, or violations of other laws are prohibited. If you want to race, take it to a legal venue.
I woulD the also guess that the LEGAL part of this discussion is FORBIDDEN ???
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Originally Posted by bpago
I thought you can't talk about street racing or speeding as per rules of forum
From guidlines ...
LEGAL
Posts relating to street racing, excessive speeding, or violations of other laws are prohibited. If you want to race, take it to a legal venue.
I woulD the also guess that the LEGAL part of this discussion is FORBIDDEN ???
From guidlines ...
LEGAL
Posts relating to street racing, excessive speeding, or violations of other laws are prohibited. If you want to race, take it to a legal venue.
I woulD the also guess that the LEGAL part of this discussion is FORBIDDEN ???
I know for a fact there have been several VERY long threads about strategies for getting out of Reckless Driving tickets in VA. Just do a search.
Here ya go https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...iving+virginia
