RLmini must care about my MBA because he wrote:

BTW, welcome to NAM. :smile:

 

My mistake, at least one person cares. Perhaps we can get 5 more pages of thumbs up and me too.

 

Nice juxtaposition there!

Not that Andy needs defending, but if you check the VGS and HAI threads, he's all about the FREE exchange of ideas.

When someone wants to sell their ideas because they are 'better', he asks (ok, demands ) that person show IF they are better and WHY they are better. Seems fair enough (if caustic at times.)

 

Andy, Andy Andy... I had high hopes that you had abandoned this type of foolishness. It's almost certain to take the discussion out of bounds. Just like name-calling, this kind of comment seems to indicate that you've run out of intellectual content with which to argue your point.


He's right, man. If all we're trying to do is entertain ourselves, then being antagonistic is a great approach. If we're trying to share knowledge or otherwise benefit the MINI community, this is maybe not such a great approach.


As you pointed out earlier, there are forum rules that are in place to keep order and to make the forum valuable and attractive to all NAM members. For example:

Joeyprice is probably due a bit of an apology as a new member and a thoughful contributor to this thread. Whether we agree with a post or not, we all have an obligation to be respectful. Antagonistic, snappish remarks would not seem to be consistent with that ideal.

So, Joeyprice, welcome to NAM and thanks for your thoughts. You made some good points.

It's also worth noting that Andy's not the only offender. It's entertaining, but not productive. Maybe that's enough for some, but it could be more valuable if everyone made an effort to be more mature about it. We can't just make rude, sarcastic remarks and think that slapping :smile: on it makes it acceptable. It's still offensive.

 

I'm sorry, but comparing a call for a halt in hostilities and an attempt to control who can respond to him does't really compute here.
If he wants to call sombody out on their numbers, then do it, but I still don't understand the point of this thread. Unless of course it was simply to be difficult.
I happen to agree with Andy, I think people that will plunk down hundreds of dollars on unproven mods are crazy, and I don't think people should sell "performance" parts that don't show a measurable increase in performance. But really, what point does this thread serve, aside from the obvious contrarian theme of the equally pointless "who wants and AGS even though we don't know if it works yet" thread?

 

Being a contrarian has it's place. However, we should learn to disagree without being disagreeable.

 

OK - I'm sorry I called the thread pointless, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. I'm inline with your stance of vaporware, and understand your desire to see #'s on the AGS (any part for that matter).
Andy, you are clearly knowledgable and have much to contribute, my only concern is that it is lost in some of the negative exchages I've read in here. The AGS sneak peek v. the operation VGS thread is a prime example. The occasionaly dig (i can't speak for how it will work with a non-exsistant product) is funny, but I think the flame wars are a distraction.
Just my thoughts - for what its worth, I appologize. I'll try to keep it more productive in the future.

 

I don't care about an MBA. I would have preferred an egineering degree

 

I have one of those too, BSME. Don't ask me for any more though because I'm out of degrees.

 

I knew you were waiting to be able to drop that one!

 

Good I wouldn't want an MBA telling me about my car

 

If anybody ever doubted whether or not Andy could take a shot as well as he can give one.......well, the last two pages of this thread should give you your answer.

The man's taking a firestorm of (deserved or not is another question) jabs and he's handling it with humor and class. You may disagree with the content of his posts but you cannot deny he has style.

Cheers Andy

 

Yeah, I can tell he lives for this stuff.

I think everyone has handled this thread with class, cheers to you all.

 

Are you kidding? You call M7's AGS thread marketing to "early adopters"?
It sounds like your run of the mill vendor push on a cool, new product. It is new and cool. But does it outflow everything out there? Nobody knows and Peter's not telling. It's going on 4 months now and not one iota of evidence or comparative data.

Just for reference this is M7's original post:
Hi everyone....
It's Christmas eve and I figure a sneek peek of the "Air Gain System" would
cheer most of you up.
A little explanation of what's coming and what to expect......
The M7 AGS consist of a multitude of parts everything from T-bolt hose clamps
vaccume connectors and a new wiring harness with custom plugs.
The system consist of 16 seperate parts, all engineerd to make the install
as intuitive and easy as possible.
So what can you expect performance wise from the AGS, as it outflows any
system currently on the market by a margin. The difference is amazing
as the engine will rev faster and more freely.
We will have all the Dyno charts and flow tests available very soon....
Image one: M7 Air Gain System
Image two: our patented AGS tube
Image three: Mini stock SC tube
Merry Christmas
peter

 

Why I can't find am M7 AGSv3 Complete, with harness, filter, etc will pay
a lot but a new one of course. Is anybody not happy with their V3 AGS will pay significant used, but complete.

 

i agree whole heartedly on the torque thing . it's so much more noticeable and needed on these cars . it's funny how on a v8 the torque is almost always higher than the h.p.

 

Cause it really didn't work well and had some manufacturing problems.

 

If it didn't work well then there should be several for sale on here immediately The reason we stopped making it was the cost to mfg got too high, thats it plain and simple. I have one one my car, will I sell it ? HELL no I really do not know if I have more power because of it but I do know the throttle responce was greatly improved and you can't forget this
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...00&ppuser=1596



Randy
M7 Tuning

 

is the responce better due to the much shorter path for the air to cyl. seeing as how air compresses and can be syphoned quicker than the stock set up can keep up with ? this is why we have to feed the throttle? also would eliminating the front intake tube and just going to the cowl help ?

 

seems the volume of the stocker just may be too small .

 

Oh OK..............I just remember a lot of problems with the install and vacuum leaks.

 

Scott you have a good memory and yes there were issues with the first two versions with people trying to install the units themselves for the first time . I spent a good bit of time on the phone for sure. Once we finally gave in and went to the CNC end pieces and aluminum tube the fitment issues were all but eliminated. The problem then was that the cost of the system would really have been prohibitive.

Herbie, According to one of our customers that happen to have the proper type of test equipment he was able to confirm our preliminary numbers.The shorter and fatter AGS tube flowed 122.2 cfm more than stock which is a 21.2 % increase . There were a bunch of photos of the tubes around here for a long time but that was awhile ago. If you got a look at any of those the improvment wouold be easy to see. In any event it really is a moot point at this stage but those are the answers to your questions.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

I have the M7 AGS V3. It is AWESOME. The aluminum piping that came to me wasn't the best of finishing... but the guy who installed it for me polished it up smoothly. I should have taken a photo of it... but you're just gonna have to believe me on it!

 

With post like that perhaps you should re-consider your decision...if people are willing to pay then why not sell it to them??

 

You think that's bad, try listening to a Phd!