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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 08:41 AM
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I wish it was that simple. My personal experience.. the AP does not play well with my car for whatever reason. Ive contacted Cobb multiple times and I have received very little response.

So yes, you can flash with the AP and go about your day. But, if anything comes up, for whatever reason, rock and a hard place.

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You're saying the AP is dead, it's not dead, just not being supported directly from Cobb.

If you have an AP, it's totally fine to still run your maps and get on with it through your days. I mean seriously, how often do you have to contact Cobb or Alta for support? Are you or anyone else with an AP that incompetent that you constantly need a new map or further support? I'm not calling you ignorant, but to throw away a tune just because someone isn't supporting it is kinda dumb, imho. I had the AP all last year and I only contacted Cobb once when my update frozen my screen on the AP, other than that, really...you don't need some new update or map.

I'd understand if you went in for service and MINI said you needed up to update your ECU and then your AP didn't work, but for everyday useability, there shouldn't be any issues!

Rant over.

Like many N14 guys we're all hopeful of another tuner to come in and introduce what they can offer, but if I had an AP today, I wouldn't be truly disappointed with my AP because at the end of the day, the 221whp I had was fun and I never once had any issues with it...
 
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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mindspin311
I wish it was that simple. My personal experience.. the AP does not play well with my car for whatever reason. Ive contacted Cobb multiple times and I have received very little response.

So yes, you can flash with the AP and go about your day. But, if anything comes up, for whatever reason, rock and a hard place.
Have you called Cobb directly? Either their SoCal or Texas locations?
 
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Old Jun 30, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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Wow! 62 pages...took a little time.

Glad I have not jumped at a tune for my 13 MCS yet. But I am getting closer.
I'm in FL, and down for an alpha test if you want some high heat, high humidity logs over the summer.
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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 07:54 AM
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Having BMS tuning update withdraw. Any updates from your end Terry?
 

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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 08:24 AM
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Nothing exciting to report on this front. We have two systems out in testing, and I'm waiting for our development car to arrive, hopefully late this week or early next.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2013 | 01:20 PM
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I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I'm looking for a tune that's suitable for the post 03/12 build date R56 MCS. I called NM, but they said that they haven't cracked it yet.

I know that Renn Tech works for my model, but I really don't want to spend $1000.

Do I have any other options?
 
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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Our new toy finally showed up... I know what I'll be working on next week.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 08:11 PM
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Looks good now black it out!!!!

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Old Jul 7, 2013 | 07:43 PM
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by minimechusa
Looks good now black it out!!!!

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everybody keeps going with the black out fad. i really think now everyone does it to please someone else and makes every mini look the same. a nice taste of chrome is not bad, thats just my opinion.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 08:01 AM
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I kept the belt line, emblems, and handles chrome on mine to keep a little contrast since the taillights have chrome in them! But the grill and headlight / taillight rings look good blacked out!
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 02:27 PM
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Call me crazy but I love the OEM look. Jason @ BMS is hard at work testing fitment and doing up a MINI page for our site. Our plug socket, jackpad, courtesy lights, etc, all appear to fit nicely. We'll probably do up an oil catch can kit & spacers as well. I pulled a plug today and it looks like a .026" gap. I may test out one step colder NGKs w/ a .022" gap. Is there a certain plug you higher power guys run?
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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I am running these.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Call me crazy but I love the OEM look. Jason @ BMS is hard at work testing fitment and doing up a MINI page for our site. Our plug socket, jackpad, courtesy lights, etc, all appear to fit nicely. We'll probably do up an oil catch can kit & spacers as well. I pulled a plug today and it looks like a .026" gap. I may test out one step colder NGKs w/ a .022" gap. Is there a certain plug you higher power guys run?
the oil catch can has been discussed here ad nauseam. it seems like the N18 folks have not been "catching" all that much in their cans, especially those in warmer weather climates. i believe some have inspected their valves and have seen minimal build up. also, there was quite a long debate on here about how the pcv exhaust is recirculated. some believe there's an internal recirculation (in addition to the one that recircs back through the visible piping that connects to the intake tube just south of the airbox). if you guys can figure out definitively whether there is an internal recirc route or not, a lot of us will be eternally grateful to put that debate to sleep.

also, can you let us know what you mean by spacers? are we talking thermoblock type spacers? thanks in advance for your work and any information you can provide!

btw, i'm with you on the stock look. i could use a tint, but that's about it.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jomama

the oil catch can has been discussed here ad nauseam. it seems like the N18 folks have not been "catching" all that much in their cans, especially those in warmer weather climates. i believe some have inspected their valves and have seen minimal build up. also, there was quite a long debate on here about how the pcv exhaust is recirculated. some believe there's an internal recirculation (in addition to the one that recircs back through the visible piping that connects to the intake tube just south of the airbox). if you guys can figure out definitively whether there is an internal recirc route or not, a lot of us will be eternally grateful to put that debate to sleep.

also, can you let us know what you mean by spacers? are we talking thermoblock type spacers? thanks in advance for your work and any information you can provide!

btw, i'm with you on the stock look. i could use a tint, but that's about it.
+1...occ was a waste IMO. I will just do a walnut blast at 80k miles. I used my $160-200 on other mods.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:11 PM
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On the OCC we'll have to throw one on and do some additional R&D. But we have a relatively unique proprietary high flow design. It's the #1 OCC for N54/N55 engines. I'll pop the valve cover off when I get time and inspect the PCV system. At first glance it appears similar to the N55 design. Which is pretty good from the factory. But, not perfect, as you start raising boost levels.

http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_335_oil_catch_can.html

On the spacers I'm referring to these: http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_wheel_spacers.html

I'm aware this is a tuning thread and few reading will have much enthusiasm for the above two items. Just thinking out loud here on them.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
On the OCC we'll have to throw one on and do some additional R&D. But we have a relatively unique proprietary high flow design. It's the #1 OCC for N54/N55 engines. I'll pop the valve cover off when I get time and inspect the PCV system. At first glance it appears similar to the N55 design. Which is pretty good from the factory. But, not perfect, as you start raising boost levels.

http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_335_oil_catch_can.html

On the spacers I'm referring to these: http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_wheel_spacers.html

I'm aware this is a tuning thread and few reading will have much enthusiasm for the above two items. Just thinking out loud here on them.
The spacers are one of the mods I'm waiting to do when I lower the car. I love the aggressive look!
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jomama
also, there was quite a long debate on here about how the pcv exhaust is recirculated. some believe there's an internal recirculation (in addition to the one that recircs back through the visible piping that connects to the intake tube just south of the airbox). if you guys can figure out definitively whether there is an internal recirc route or not, a lot of us will be eternally grateful to put that debate to sleep.
There is no debate about internal PCV passages in the N18 head. They are there. I asked about them at my MINI dealer and the shop foreman said that they are part of the redesigned dual VANOS head on the N18 engine.

They eliminate the PCV hose from the back of the head cover to the throttle body.

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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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I am running these.
Looks like a heat range 8. We carry NGK 5992 for the N54 motor and they look to have the same overall electrode length. So I tossed one of those in at .022" gap just to see how it does. It's a heat range 7.

For some reason my account has no "search" function. There is one here somewhere, isn't there? Is the NGK 4471 the most common N18 replacement plug used?
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
On the OCC we'll have to throw one on and do some additional R&D. But we have a relatively unique proprietary high flow design. It's the #1 OCC for N54/N55 engines. I'll pop the valve cover off when I get time and inspect the PCV system. At first glance it appears similar to the N55 design. Which is pretty good from the factory. But, not perfect, as you start raising boost levels.

http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_335_oil_catch_can.html

On the spacers I'm referring to these: http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_wheel_spacers.html

I'm aware this is a tuning thread and few reading will have much enthusiasm for the above two items. Just thinking out loud here on them.
terry,
we not only welcome the thinking out loud bit, but we appreciate it! i'm sure i speak for most in saying that we want to provide you as much support from our findings as we can so that no one has to reinvent the wheel. excited to see what you guy will be producing for the R56 community!
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
For some reason my account has no "search" function. There is one here somewhere, isn't there? Is the NGK 4471 the most common N18 replacement plug used?
there should be a "search thread" box right above the post # on the top-most post of the page.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jomama
there should be a "search thread" box right above the post # on the top-most post of the page.
Finally found it. Was expecting it to be up by the logout area. Funny, looks like the NGK 5992 plug is what you guys commonly run. A couple more items for our MINI page.

http://www.burgertuning.com/N54_BMW_...t_adapter.html
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
On the OCC we'll have to throw one on and do some additional R&D. But we have a relatively unique proprietary high flow design. It's the #1 OCC for N54/N55 engines. I'll pop the valve cover off when I get time and inspect the PCV system. At first glance it appears similar to the N55 design. Which is pretty good from the factory. But, not perfect, as you start raising boost levels.

http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_335_oil_catch_can.html

On the spacers I'm referring to these: http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_wheel_spacers.html

I'm aware this is a tuning thread and few reading will have much enthusiasm for the above two items. Just thinking out loud here on them.
Terry, the R60 countryman has 5 lugs. I was looking at the wheel spacers you have one your site. Do you think any of the BMW ones will cross over to the R60?
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 07:40 PM
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Terry, the R60 countryman has 5 lugs. I was looking at the wheel spacers you have one your site. Do you think any of the BMW ones will cross over to the R60?
I am fairly certain they are both 5x120 with the same center bore, so why not? I think just the offset differs from the E90.

http://www.wheelfitment.eu/car/Mini/...(2010%20-%20)/
 
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 07:46 PM
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Looks like the MINI uses a smaller lug size though???
 
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