Drivetrain PCV hose delete.
The car has been running great, it's been venting since that first day.
I honestly am not really sure where the rubber cap came from. It was in a box of odd parts. I think it can be found at an auto-parts store. It's about the same size as the rubber hose for the catch can.
I honestly am not really sure where the rubber cap came from. It was in a box of odd parts. I think it can be found at an auto-parts store. It's about the same size as the rubber hose for the catch can.
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But yeah you should route it under the car some were with a longer hose.
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I haven't converted the BSH to VTA yet. I keep the car inside and don't really want the vapors filling the garage (I could smell them when I had an open intake along with the BSH). It's good to know that it's possible to have that setup if necessary though.
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They used to do something like that on cars before they had PCV systems, It was called a draft tube. it was a tube that ran down into the air stream under the car that helped pull the oil vapors out of the engine.
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Ok, I have been reading every post I can possibly find regarding OCC, boost tap, etc. I see the posts saying that blocking off the passenger side is ok for street use and not recommended track use.
My question is, I drive daily on the autobahn back and fourth to work. Hard acceleration and speeds up to 130 mph are common in my drive. Would blocking off the passenger side be safe under these driving conditions. I know my conditions arent track but not really street either.
My question is, I drive daily on the autobahn back and fourth to work. Hard acceleration and speeds up to 130 mph are common in my drive. Would blocking off the passenger side be safe under these driving conditions. I know my conditions arent track but not really street either.
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Ok, I have been reading every post I can possibly find regarding OCC, boost tap, etc. I see the posts saying that blocking off the passenger side is ok for street use and not recommended track use.
My question is, I drive daily on the autobahn back and fourth to work. Hard acceleration and speeds up to 130 mph are common in my drive. Would blocking off the passenger side be safe under these driving conditions. I know my conditions arent track but not really street either.
My question is, I drive daily on the autobahn back and fourth to work. Hard acceleration and speeds up to 130 mph are common in my drive. Would blocking off the passenger side be safe under these driving conditions. I know my conditions arent track but not really street either.
I think the problem some have with blocking off the passenger side PCV line is that in some racing classes, altering the emission controls is not permitted.
Dave
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I installed the block off caps that Roger(Czar) sent me several weeks ago as well as the bsh catch can on my RMW tuned 08 clubman and have had no issues so far. It is my daily driver and I travel for a living so I do a good mix of highway miles and stop and go traffic. I have had no issues. I think you should be fine on the AutoBahn.
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I've got a 2011 Citroën DS3 with the same engine. After 9500 miles and plenty of detonation it decided it had had enough and the ring lands on piston 1 disentegrated.
A new engine was fitted under warranty along with a new HPFP, and within a day was detonating again. Some research on the internet resulted in me visiting Peugeot to buy 2 PCV delete caps.
After fitting, it hasn't detonated at all. I'm running 215bhp with ILZKBR7A8G plugs, Pipercross foam filter on 99 octane fuel and custom impellor.
This mod is now being used on the latest European engined THP's, and will stop any oil build up on inlet valve, and oil haze related detonation due to oil reducing octane by about 40 points (like filling up with diesel)
Video from a run out last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFM48FK9kj4
A new engine was fitted under warranty along with a new HPFP, and within a day was detonating again. Some research on the internet resulted in me visiting Peugeot to buy 2 PCV delete caps.
After fitting, it hasn't detonated at all. I'm running 215bhp with ILZKBR7A8G plugs, Pipercross foam filter on 99 octane fuel and custom impellor.
This mod is now being used on the latest European engined THP's, and will stop any oil build up on inlet valve, and oil haze related detonation due to oil reducing octane by about 40 points (like filling up with diesel)
Video from a run out last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFM48FK9kj4
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Thanks for the info Dave!
I've got a 2011 Citroën DS3 with the same engine. After 9500 miles and plenty of detonation it decided it had had enough and the ring lands on piston 1 disentegrated.
A new engine was fitted under warranty along with a new HPFP, and within a day was detonating again. Some research on the internet resulted in me visiting Peugeot to buy 2 PCV delete caps.
After fitting, it hasn't detonated at all. I'm running 215bhp with ILZKBR7A8G plugs, Pipercross foam filter on 99 octane fuel and custom impellor.
This mod is now being used on the latest European engined THP's, and will stop any oil build up on inlet valve, and oil haze related detonation due to oil reducing octane by about 40 points (like filling up with diesel)
Video from a run out last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFM48FK9kj4
A new engine was fitted under warranty along with a new HPFP, and within a day was detonating again. Some research on the internet resulted in me visiting Peugeot to buy 2 PCV delete caps.
After fitting, it hasn't detonated at all. I'm running 215bhp with ILZKBR7A8G plugs, Pipercross foam filter on 99 octane fuel and custom impellor.
This mod is now being used on the latest European engined THP's, and will stop any oil build up on inlet valve, and oil haze related detonation due to oil reducing octane by about 40 points (like filling up with diesel)
Video from a run out last night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFM48FK9kj4
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Some food for thought.
The original purpose of the PCV was to vent crankcase pressure created from blow by, some where along the line someone decided that placing the top end in a vacuum was even better. Now since newer boosted engines tend to have more blow by then normally aspirated ones, a person might have an argument for that self imposed vacuum.
Most of the OCC's on the market are nothing more then an empty vapor canister relying on the process of vapor condensation to collect the oil. With out that these cans are very poor in collecting oil that is being pulled from the top end of the engine. If you really want the oil out of the vapor then you have to scrub the air with a coilesing filter system, which in the automotive world really is not practical.
One other way to prevent the oil vapor from entering the intake is don't put it there in the first place. Which I think Dave and Czar have covered very well. They only issue I see is a good method of preventing crankcase pressure. Have you guys just considered a rocker cover(valve cover) breather?
John
The original purpose of the PCV was to vent crankcase pressure created from blow by, some where along the line someone decided that placing the top end in a vacuum was even better. Now since newer boosted engines tend to have more blow by then normally aspirated ones, a person might have an argument for that self imposed vacuum.
Most of the OCC's on the market are nothing more then an empty vapor canister relying on the process of vapor condensation to collect the oil. With out that these cans are very poor in collecting oil that is being pulled from the top end of the engine. If you really want the oil out of the vapor then you have to scrub the air with a coilesing filter system, which in the automotive world really is not practical.
One other way to prevent the oil vapor from entering the intake is don't put it there in the first place. Which I think Dave and Czar have covered very well. They only issue I see is a good method of preventing crankcase pressure. Have you guys just considered a rocker cover(valve cover) breather?
John
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One other way to prevent the oil vapor from entering the intake is don't put it there in the first place. Which I think Dave and Czar have covered very well. They only issue I see is a good method of preventing crankcase pressure. Have you guys just considered a rocker cover(valve cover) breather?
John
John
The pics I posted on page three are exactly what your talking about. The only reason it's to a vented can and not just the breather is to prevent an oily mess.
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Some food for thought.
The original purpose of the PCV was to vent crankcase pressure created from blow by, some where along the line someone decided that placing the top end in a vacuum was even better. Now since newer boosted engines tend to have more blow by then normally aspirated ones, a person might have an argument for that self imposed vacuum.
Most of the OCC's on the market are nothing more then an empty vapor canister relying on the process of vapor condensation to collect the oil. With out that these cans are very poor in collecting oil that is being pulled from the top end of the engine. If you really want the oil out of the vapor then you have to scrub the air with a coilesing filter system, which in the automotive world really is not practical.
One other way to prevent the oil vapor from entering the intake is don't put it there in the first place. Which I think Dave and Czar have covered very well. They only issue I see is a good method of preventing crankcase pressure. Have you guys just considered a rocker cover(valve cover) breather?
John
The original purpose of the PCV was to vent crankcase pressure created from blow by, some where along the line someone decided that placing the top end in a vacuum was even better. Now since newer boosted engines tend to have more blow by then normally aspirated ones, a person might have an argument for that self imposed vacuum.
Most of the OCC's on the market are nothing more then an empty vapor canister relying on the process of vapor condensation to collect the oil. With out that these cans are very poor in collecting oil that is being pulled from the top end of the engine. If you really want the oil out of the vapor then you have to scrub the air with a coilesing filter system, which in the automotive world really is not practical.
One other way to prevent the oil vapor from entering the intake is don't put it there in the first place. Which I think Dave and Czar have covered very well. They only issue I see is a good method of preventing crankcase pressure. Have you guys just considered a rocker cover(valve cover) breather?
John
Yes it's perfectly practical to produce a coalescing filtration system, for the automotive applications, as that's exactly what I did, I designed and produced my own coalescing filter, specifically for my N14 engines, and it filters out to 99.9% separation.
The probable reason most aftermarket companies don't produce a effective OCC other than supplying an empty can, maybe sometimes with a baffle plate in it too, is that they won't have the knowledge or understanding about oil/air separation, or calculated the necessary volume and flow taking into account the % rate of wear for compressional blow by, for any given engine, it's a science not guess work!
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With the rear pcv pipe deleted, the 2 (yes there is 2) pcv pipes on the turbo side compensate, the result is a oiless induction side and a considerabley less amount of oil reaching the inlet valve/combustion chamber. Winning as Charlie Sheen would say
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CZAR:
Do you have an marketable coalescing filtration system for the N-14? How about the N-18??
Stephen
Do you have an marketable coalescing filtration system for the N-14? How about the N-18??
Stephen
A coalescing filter is as you say the most effective way to separate any liquid, in this case oil, from the crankcase vapour, that said, I don't see you reasoning behind your statement.
Yes it's perfectly practical to produce a coalescing filtration system, for the automotive applications, as that's exactly what I did, I designed and produced my own coalescing filter, specifically for my N14 engines, and it filters out to 99.9% separation.
The probable reason most aftermarket companies don't produce a effective OCC other than supplying an empty can, maybe sometimes with a baffle plate in it too, is that they won't have the knowledge or understanding about oil/air separation, or calculated the necessary volume and flow taking into account the % rate of wear for compressional blow by, for any given engine, it's a science not guess work!
Yes it's perfectly practical to produce a coalescing filtration system, for the automotive applications, as that's exactly what I did, I designed and produced my own coalescing filter, specifically for my N14 engines, and it filters out to 99.9% separation.
The probable reason most aftermarket companies don't produce a effective OCC other than supplying an empty can, maybe sometimes with a baffle plate in it too, is that they won't have the knowledge or understanding about oil/air separation, or calculated the necessary volume and flow taking into account the % rate of wear for compressional blow by, for any given engine, it's a science not guess work!
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As for the N18 engine, I would need to calculate the volume and flow, but yes a coalescing filtration system could be implemented.