Drivetrain New RMW Power Numbers - 277hp
Am I reading this correctly...or does this quote make it seem like Paul is saying that clocking fast times on a road course is easy?
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Man you guys, this is what potential buyers love to see. 
If your products are good, people will vote with their wallet. All this internet drama does is confuse, and push away your potential clients. Not to mention make everyone and their respective companies/organizations look unprofessional.
If your products are good, people will vote with their wallet. All this internet drama does is confuse, and push away your potential clients. Not to mention make everyone and their respective companies/organizations look unprofessional.
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I feel it just gives you a better understanding of your car, I feel its main benefit is associating that wheelspin kills ET (also bogging does as well)whether it be on a drag strip or road course, it has more of measurable effect for the driver at the drag strip.
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Paul, I have a hard time understanding why you love the drag strip so much and think it proves all and ends all 
. All you do is lay rubber and drive for your 13.8 sec? Not much fun really, i'd rather have the thrill of driving the car around the track. Maybe you don't understand cornering and just like straight lines? I would think it would take more skill and know how to drive a track than it would to put your foot down for 1/4 mile? It also looks like that most people on here don't really care for drag racing. Also we would really like to see your dyno plots cause I would like to see what you are putting down. Please post up and stop saying that the drag strip is the only true dyno, do you have a dynometer hooked up to your car when you are running down the 1/4 mile? I'd think not. Surely you have had your car on the dyno, so lets see the results.
. All you do is lay rubber and drive for your 13.8 sec? Not much fun really, i'd rather have the thrill of driving the car around the track. Maybe you don't understand cornering and just like straight lines? I would think it would take more skill and know how to drive a track than it would to put your foot down for 1/4 mile? It also looks like that most people on here don't really care for drag racing. Also we would really like to see your dyno plots cause I would like to see what you are putting down. Please post up and stop saying that the drag strip is the only true dyno, do you have a dynometer hooked up to your car when you are running down the 1/4 mile? I'd think not. Surely you have had your car on the dyno, so lets see the results.
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From: Winston-Salem, NC
Went down to see Jan and do some testing with the Water/Alcohol injection system. Jan tweaked the tune a bit and here's what we got: 277whp and 211lb.ft. of torque. Here are the mods:
RMW Head
RMW Race Cam
RMW Race Exhaust
RMW Meth Kit
RMW Tune
and a 17% pulley.
Everything else is stock.
The car pulls pretty good with 200lb.ft. from 3700 to 6600.
RMW Head
RMW Race Cam
RMW Race Exhaust
RMW Meth Kit
RMW Tune
and a 17% pulley.
Everything else is stock.
The car pulls pretty good with 200lb.ft. from 3700 to 6600.
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i see where drag racing n track racing has its place in the mini's performance...both has its merits...here is my take on both:
Drag racing - measures Pure engine performance
Track - overall package but more into suspension setup
Drag racing - measures Pure engine performance
Track - overall package but more into suspension setup
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Correction.....
Drag Racing = Measure suspension and tire ability to get out of the hole, and of course drivers ability to do so.
ET MPH = Engine power + Aerodynamics.
Last edited by MaitlandImports; Aug 27, 2009 at 07:03 AM.
" would buy.
Well, I had ALTA install a 15% pulley, colder plugs, and their v2 intake w/box top at AMVIV last year. Two weeks ago Minicorsa installed the 380's and I had Jan tune the car.
I was 'only' expecting 195-ish after the tune, but we were both pleasantly surprised when the baseline was pretty much there already. Jan was pretty surprised that it pulled as strong as it did. Needless to say, so was I.
edit - I should mention this was on a Dynapack dyno. I've heard various conflicting opinions on whether they read high/low and how they compare to Dynojets and Mustangs. All I know is that +23 is a good thing, and even if the #'s are off by a few percentage points, I'm happy with my car.
I was 'only' expecting 195-ish after the tune, but we were both pleasantly surprised when the baseline was pretty much there already. Jan was pretty surprised that it pulled as strong as it did. Needless to say, so was I.
edit - I should mention this was on a Dynapack dyno. I've heard various conflicting opinions on whether they read high/low and how they compare to Dynojets and Mustangs. All I know is that +23 is a good thing, and even if the #'s are off by a few percentage points, I'm happy with my car.
I remember that post, I know if I was a competitive race business, I would purchase these abnormally strong cars to campaign them. But I'm sure they would punish by adding weight or something.
They even dyno the spece30 cars for this now.
I remember that the old R53 Challenge series they would collect the sealed ecu then return them randomly. But seems like some of this MINIs power is mechanical.
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It maybe a Wednesday build, but it isn't all by luck. I know of very few people that have collected data as I have and learned the hard way. I don't read code, how it all ties together to get the power out of the car. This along with all the research RMW has done on hard parts, heads, cams, headers etc., has gotten this car where it is, not some bloke in England.
and maybe a cam or 2
but dont let a few "minor" facts spoil a good argument
The word proprietary always brings up images of a Dell motherboard or an Apple computer. Things that a manufacturer makes that can not interface with industry standard components.
Now a camshaft, metaphorically speaking in this discussion, is "like" a computer part that can be changed out to provide better performance (CPU/RAM/GRAPHICS CARD etc.)
If any of those parts were proprietary - then the receiving side would also have to be proprietary in the same way. BUT! A camshaft HAS to conform to the motor or else it would not operate correctly or damage something.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch - I looked up the word "proprietary"
1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor 1
2 : something that is used, produced, or marketed under exclusive legal right of the inventor or maker; specifically : a drug (as a patent medicine) that is protected by secrecy, patent, or copyright against free competition as to name, product, composition, or process of manufacture
3 : a business secretly owned by and run as a cover for an intelligence organization
So you word chose COULD theoretically be correct IF you own a patent for your specifications.
If someone else were to grind a cam in similar fashion / specification - legal pursuit could be taken forth by your company.
I'm not 100% sure of the patent system, but for objects that are not different than something already on the market and a specific set of grind instructions you would have to be pretty convincing in order to patent that.
Since I do not believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you can own a patent to a specification of an already highly alterable design in general (camshaft) then I would have to say that since the camshaft is neither my first description or dictionary definition - the use of the word "Proprietary" just means "Secret" only.
Secret is perfectly fair... It is the way RMW has always been with their cam shaft (cam card anyone?)
"Proprietary" which Jan uses often just doesn't sound right to me.
Now a camshaft, metaphorically speaking in this discussion, is "like" a computer part that can be changed out to provide better performance (CPU/RAM/GRAPHICS CARD etc.)
If any of those parts were proprietary - then the receiving side would also have to be proprietary in the same way. BUT! A camshaft HAS to conform to the motor or else it would not operate correctly or damage something.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch - I looked up the word "proprietary"
1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor 1
2 : something that is used, produced, or marketed under exclusive legal right of the inventor or maker; specifically : a drug (as a patent medicine) that is protected by secrecy, patent, or copyright against free competition as to name, product, composition, or process of manufacture
3 : a business secretly owned by and run as a cover for an intelligence organization
So you word chose COULD theoretically be correct IF you own a patent for your specifications.
If someone else were to grind a cam in similar fashion / specification - legal pursuit could be taken forth by your company.
I'm not 100% sure of the patent system, but for objects that are not different than something already on the market and a specific set of grind instructions you would have to be pretty convincing in order to patent that.
Since I do not believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you can own a patent to a specification of an already highly alterable design in general (camshaft) then I would have to say that since the camshaft is neither my first description or dictionary definition - the use of the word "Proprietary" just means "Secret" only.
Secret is perfectly fair... It is the way RMW has always been with their cam shaft (cam card anyone?)
"Proprietary" which Jan uses often just doesn't sound right to me.
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Why the **** do i even care what you think m3ntal.
the name says it all
you have such a hard on for shitting on rmw.
your a mynes guy we get it.
I wont **** on mynes its rude
try to be polite.
the name says it all
you have such a hard on for shitting on rmw.
your a mynes guy we get it.
I wont **** on mynes its rude
try to be polite.
Hello silversmoke.
You obviously care enough to almost write a Haiku while using the English and French language
It was a question to Jan; Jan answered perfectly fine and that discussion is over with, please do not drag this thread down. Nothing derogatory was said in my question.
Thank you and have a nice day.
You obviously care enough to almost write a Haiku while using the English and French language
It was a question to Jan; Jan answered perfectly fine and that discussion is over with, please do not drag this thread down. Nothing derogatory was said in my question.
Thank you and have a nice day.
The word proprietary always brings up images of a Dell motherboard or an Apple computer. Things that a manufacturer makes that can not interface with industry standard components.
Now a camshaft, metaphorically speaking in this discussion, is "like" a computer part that can be changed out to provide better performance (CPU/RAM/GRAPHICS CARD etc.)
If any of those parts were proprietary - then the receiving side would also have to be proprietary in the same way. BUT! A camshaft HAS to conform to the motor or else it would not operate correctly or damage something.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch - I looked up the word "proprietary"
1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor 1
2 : something that is used, produced, or marketed under exclusive legal right of the inventor or maker; specifically : a drug (as a patent medicine) that is protected by secrecy, patent, or copyright against free competition as to name, product, composition, or process of manufacture
3 : a business secretly owned by and run as a cover for an intelligence organization
So you word chose COULD theoretically be correct IF you own a patent for your specifications.
If someone else were to grind a cam in similar fashion / specification - legal pursuit could be taken forth by your company.
I'm not 100% sure of the patent system, but for objects that are not different than something already on the market and a specific set of grind instructions you would have to be pretty convincing in order to patent that.
Since I do not believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you can own a patent to a specification of an already highly alterable design in general (camshaft) then I would have to say that since the camshaft is neither my first description or dictionary definition - the use of the word "Proprietary" just means "Secret" only.
Secret is perfectly fair... It is the way RMW has always been with their cam shaft (cam card anyone?)
"Proprietary" which Jan uses often just doesn't sound right to me.
Now a camshaft, metaphorically speaking in this discussion, is "like" a computer part that can be changed out to provide better performance (CPU/RAM/GRAPHICS CARD etc.)
If any of those parts were proprietary - then the receiving side would also have to be proprietary in the same way. BUT! A camshaft HAS to conform to the motor or else it would not operate correctly or damage something.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch - I looked up the word "proprietary"
1 : one that possesses, owns, or holds exclusive right to something; specifically : proprietor 1
2 : something that is used, produced, or marketed under exclusive legal right of the inventor or maker; specifically : a drug (as a patent medicine) that is protected by secrecy, patent, or copyright against free competition as to name, product, composition, or process of manufacture
3 : a business secretly owned by and run as a cover for an intelligence organization
So you word chose COULD theoretically be correct IF you own a patent for your specifications.
If someone else were to grind a cam in similar fashion / specification - legal pursuit could be taken forth by your company.
I'm not 100% sure of the patent system, but for objects that are not different than something already on the market and a specific set of grind instructions you would have to be pretty convincing in order to patent that.
Since I do not believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you can own a patent to a specification of an already highly alterable design in general (camshaft) then I would have to say that since the camshaft is neither my first description or dictionary definition - the use of the word "Proprietary" just means "Secret" only.
Secret is perfectly fair... It is the way RMW has always been with their cam shaft (cam card anyone?)
"Proprietary" which Jan uses often just doesn't sound right to me.
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Yet another thread trashed,
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/guidelines
Read it, esp that part about RESPECT, in which many here are lacking.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/guidelines
Read it, esp that part about RESPECT, in which many here are lacking.
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