Thanks for the honest reply and you right why bother knowing what it makes without when you always have it switched on. It must last for ages on the street.

The only problem I see is for the future owners of an RMW installed and tuned WM kit if they dont get the correct info passed on to them and they run it without any w/m in the tank at WOT.

 

there you go again Paul............ A-S-S-U-M-E ing

Our kit comes with a PDF manual showing how to install the kit properly and with instructions on how to service it. I also have remote tuning that can build a full pump gas map to run WOT if they run out of methanol. Ian's car was tuned remotely and you saw how well that works at the track setting record after record...... Jeff has the tool also and if he wanted to pay for the dyno time to build the map he would have the ability to drive it WOT on pump gas. He so chooses to run it easy if he runs out of meth. Not everyone is a neanderthal in thinking

 

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The last time the car was strictly run non meth, all it had was a head and exhaust, stock JCW pulley, cam, etc. and it made 232. Since then it's always been tuned for a meth system.

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I think you have to many dyno sheets Big Howe of your memory is fading;

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-the-king.html

The above is with a 17%, and I was lead to believe it had no w/m kit on it, or is there something you wish to tell us now

If you look at and compare the blue line numbers of the 259whp (thanks Jan for the latest one being yellow) with the latest dyno sheet there doesn't seem any signifance difference up to about 6k.

After 6k there obviously is a nice gain but is that the difference from the cam or the new quiet race cat back? as I believe Danny saw substantial gains from the new quiet race cat back.

 

Yep, Right when I finish getting sent away from work. That is the reason why I haven't been able to finish off. What you really need to realise with this meth kit is it really isn't for any power gains. The power gains are good out of it at the same time. What Jan is doing is posting consistancy . Especially in our climate, or mine as I am closer to the equator than you are , The heat up here sits at about 33-35 degrees C in summer. I want to go out and have the same power on tap as if it were 12 degree C winter night. This is where this kit kicks in. To be able to have the same WHP over and over again at the push of a button to turn the system on is awesome. You should be happy that they are getting this much power down to the ground and posting up the dyno sheet to prove it. 277 WHP out of the little m45 eaton S/C is excellent by anyone's standard!! Instead of dissing the guy how about praising the guy for getting this out their which helps the Mini community .

When we were putting my car back together I had a problem, jumped on the phone and explained what was happening to him and Jan put my straight in the right direction. He knows his stuff and goes out of his way to help anyone that asks the questions.

Keep up the excellent work guys and lets hope you can get more WHP for us folk out there

 

No its great that there are people out there like Ian (and boy can he drive) earning respect for the car we love and love to thrash the living daylights out of each time we get in it.

Again you have been to the Jan school of drag racing and thats why you two maybe three wuith Longboard have flunked.

By the way Mini Morgan spent way more with Jan than he did with me, our part of the total was very small and dont forget that total includes brakes diff clutch wheels / tires etc etc.

Mini Morgan is a customer and if he wishes to post a dyno sheet he can, its not our car and we didn't pay for the dyno time.

He has been to the dragstrip unlike you three stooges and he'll be back again before the year is out.

 

Now correct me if im wrong but will you net better results on a dyno if its 110 degrees fahrenhiet, I mean base run will be WEAK but run with Meth and tune will be a tremendous pull. Or maybe if you run your car and rev above 3k rpms for a bit before your base pull on dyno then results for meth and tune dyno will be stronger. But anyways this is great for Arizona (socal, Nevada, etc) climates. And I could see where before and after dyno runs are kinda skewed to begin with, cause if your in 107 Fdegree climate its gonna show significant gains, but that same car will show similar hp say at helix on a december morining 31 F degrees with out the kit. am I off base?

 

I think you're right Longboard, but I would still like to see some V box accelleration data.

The reason we haven't looked at it over here is that its not allowed in our Time Attack series over here, but we can use nitrous

 

, did you use the correct quote?

 

Paul, thanks for digging that up, I'm guessing you have it bookmarked. There was no meth used on that run, just as I stated. You are falling into the same pitfall that most do, in looking at the peaks as well as not having all the data. Unfortunately, most of what you see is only a dyno sheet and I can see where you could get confused making you own assumptions.
The average torque for the latest series of runs is 12lb ft higher across the entire rev range as the runs in May 08. This takes into account multiple runs and how consistent the car was then as to now. The average HP gains are greater.

RMW have made great advances in the last year or so on how to make the car more consistent as well as gaining power and torque in the process. This is being seen in the racing endeavors around the country as well better street tunes.

Danny just didn't use the quiet catback, it was an entirely different exhaust system from the head to the tailpipes. No, I haven't test the system on my car yet so there maybe more gains on the table along with the new cam.

Thanks for the Stooge comment, I appreciate it when you guys make up names for me. Is this an upgrade form chocolate box carrying tard from last time?

 

the kit will show better in warmer weather for sure

 

So Ian can jump in the car he had before we got involved and he would still have set the records at the track? Go ahead ..... post something even more stupid....

for the 1 millionth time.... PAUL.... we DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT DRAG RACING..... FACE IT... YOU BOUGHT THE WRONG CAR FOR THIS..... A Honda on 1/10th the money spent will beat you every time

Aren't you responsible for Morgan's car? It was at your shop correct?
If you spent 1/10th the time on fixing his inlet temps instead of posting useless crap on the internet... just think how much faster your cars would be?

 

I'm not sure what dyno sheet you're looking at, I must admit I struggled looking at the blue line on my PC at home but on this laptop it shows up a lot better.

But as far as I can see at

3000rpm then 195 ft lb now 181ft lb
4000rpm then 204 ft lb now 205 ft lb
5000rpm then 209 ft lb now 210 ft lb
6000rpm then 209 ft lb now 210 ft lb
7000rpm then 189 ft lb now 197 ft lb
7600rpm then 180ft lb now 190ft lb

So a loss of 14ftlb at 3000 rpm and a gain of 8ft lb at 7000 and 10ft lb at 7600 with the addition of the w/m new cam and new quiet race cat back

 

Paul, I tried to explain this in the last post. Gains for items are not tyically taken from one car and one dyno sheet. They are the culmination of many different cars, runs and dyno sessions. There has probably been at least half a dozen major changes to the car between these two runs, so comparing them one for one is not quite fair. The 259 run was the highest of the day but the consistency was not the same thus the average lower for that dyno session. The 277 run was also the highest of the day but the average much closer to the peak run. Typically everyone posts the highest run of the day, it's the nature of the beast. Just as in the car you just ran at the strip, 13.8 was the best of the day, there were probably many 14 second runs proceeding it.

Again, you will have a hard time quantifying a single item from two data points from two dyno runs. Just as when you drag race, one run does not make a consistent winner. The 277 dyno plot was posted to show the what the package can attain as a whole, not to quantify any single item. If that was the case, specific before and after runs would have been a logical path. This testing was done for the new race cam that same day on another car, but the data has not been offically realesed to my knowledge as more cars need to be tested to get a true delta for the cam. Again, I do believe before and after dynos were posted on this forum for the various parts if that is what you are truly interested in.

 

but you have to understand... when turbo kicks in on street tires, all u get is wheel spin..

 

So you are saying all this hype about turbos and big peak numbers is actually making the car slower? More area under the curve and a more drivable powerband makes the car faster?

 

Yes but for the street it is and for your beloved 1/4 mile it is correct?

Just a little more insight Paul. When I was 18 in SoCal the big thing was building and racing fast VW bugs. I had and built (with my own hands) three different cars. A 1960 with an 1835cc motor, a 62 with 1910cc and a 64 with a 1776. All ran big fat 48 IDA Weber's. I took two of the cars down the 1320 and did a lot of street racing (yes young and dumb). All three cars could pull the front wheels off the ground. You talk about nitrous all the time. For the hard core racing guys back then nitrous was just plain looked at as a way to cheat. I still feel that way today. It's not real power just phantom power that you can't have all the time. To us it always told us he couldn't make real power so he added nos. It's just the way we felt.

Before you say it, no meth isn't the same thing. Not even close. The whole idea is to maintain the power you really have all the time. Does it add HP? Yes and that's great. What I love is that you can run it all the time. No magic button to hit so you can feel good for a few seconds while you drive by that guy next to you. I can drive by that guy over and over and over again and then drive home with that same power.

Hopefully you guys will try it out. I think you will love it.

Bryan

 

LB +1

 

The area under the curve means LAG.

No, I never said that. Big peak #s actually makes the car faster, just not on the track with street tires.. IMHO

**whatever i replied earlier, was from what i experienced, im not tryin to stir sh*t up with you**
For example..

when i took my car to the drag strip, (makin about 320whp) the best i ran was a 14.7 @ 106. Why so slow you ask, becuz i was on sh**ty street tires.. thats not an excuse, its the truth!

this is how it went at the track. ( **remind you**, this is my first time at the track with a turbo 53 and im no 1/4 mile pro)

1st gear...wheel spin
2nd gear.. wheel spin..oh oh oh traction, sh*t wheel spin..
3rd gear...traction.....wheel spin...
4th gear...traction....times up..

I go out to the track to have fun, not to break records...

 

In my mind (what little of it there is) in the high performance business there are TWO results that count, one being trophies at the track and two being HAPPY CUSTOMERS ( see above quote), the latter being the most important, because with out them you cannot afford the first.... Now seems to me that if some folks around here would concentrate on those two results instead of kicking sand, we'd all be the better for it...... 2 cents

 

I think the car in England was on slicks at a 13.8 at 108? My failing memory recalls Paul said if you just keep you foot in it the trap speed will always give the HP because I have complained of wheelspin myself.

Regardless, what I read of your post is that the turbo car can, at times, be effective on a 1/4 mile track with slicks. The rest of the time is useless power for the street? I mean, that day in England, an RMW head car went 2 tenths faster on the same day. Last I checked 1/4 miles are won on ET, not traps.

P.S. I think Paul is out to break records, not go for fun.

 

word! I didnt know that, but then again i dont read the sites much..

and congrats on makin 277

 

So are you saying that the 259 was just a one off / fluke?

Surely you would only post something which is backed up otherwise any dyno sheet the RMW posse has posted has now becomes a farce.

If you haven't got them maybe Shawn can send you the other best two on the day so you can post them up so we can see that your memory was playing up and they were very close to the 259 that you made on that day.

Any drag record be ET or mph has to be backed up within 1% at the same event. So if we applied that to a dyno it should be on the same day, we do this with the cars we dyno we give them the middle of the best three.

I think it is becoming clearer why you didn't want to go to the dragstrip or use the V-box in the pre w/m days if the car was making inconsistant power.

 

keep on spinnin it paul....

it still stinks like rotten fish

just stay in it... it will equal out at the back....... right...........roflmao

 

Yes and on the day it made 331bhp with the IAT starting at 50 (after burnout)and reaching 70c, where as on the road its going from 25 to 45c under the same accelaration tests.

As I've said many times before MPH / weight = Horsepower, forget the ET.

The slicks were actually circuit slicks not drag racing slicks and the 60ft was 2.6-2.7 with them, so with the right launch technique it'll go faster.

I reckon at the BMW show in Sept the car will go 111+mph

You have to remember the fastest Jans El D (his drag car) has gone is 14.2, and he has had loads of drag racing experience.

 

I think the people less interested in the squabbling and more interested in power gains.... know where to turn.

Re: non-meth tunes, I'm wondering if there's the ability to switch between tunes easily? Not bother with the meth daily driving, flip it on when heading to the track. That'd be swell, but we're talking add-on ecu here, right? Or how thirsty on meth is it, eggzactly?