Yep!! ( Snow Performance water/meth keeps it right in the sweet spot!!)


Naz.. it has the +.5mm int and +1.0mm exh. Keeps a lot of the lowend.. and still screams to the 7500-7800 shift points!!

Just me...................................

Thumper

 

Bets are on...

I say the Crower/NS cam regrind

 

Are you turning the stock cam too then? I don't see your sig updated.

I want to see your spark plugs in a 100 miles too.

Jeremy

 

Any news Thumper.

 

????? I have over 2500 miles on the advanced cam.. ran the Dragon on the stock advanced cam, and the PLUGS are totally fine!! I changed them prior the the Dyno run this weekend. Only because I dont like to spend time and then find out I have a misfire due to a $2.50 part, I was going to put them back in, but I am a bit lazy vs the cost of a new set later.. I would show you pictures, however I left my camera in England..

My sig???

Just me...................................

Thumper

PS I will start a different thread on my results...

 

I remember you were toying around with a vernier cam gear awhile back Thumper. We NAMers will wait for your results thread patiently.

Jeremy

 

Well you can find some interesting results here:

http://www.minitorque.com/forum/f24/...69/index5.html

You with your Shcrick will be really interested.

LB

 

That is a good referance to an issue with the NS2 cam.. I am trying to see what the story is.. all I can say is...HHHMMMmmmmm....

LOL

Just me.....................................

Thumper

 

Ok I'll check it out Bryan. Thanks!

Jeremy

 

dats the first unfavourable review of the NS cam series....maybe need investigation as most NS2 owners reports it yields performance, performance, performance

 

OMG, I just read all 437 posts in this thread, yet no where does it actually show a source, or price, for a crower re-grind. WTH??

 

Google Werkin, you can get them there...

 

the "crower" also goes by the name of "NS1" and "NS2" - acronymn for something I don't recall anymore

Link should be in here somewheres.

 

Here you go. I had to use google, man it was so hard. Hope that helps.

 

that shows a base price of $265, not including a corecharge, Crower charges $130 or so to do a straight regrind of a cam, so what is the difference between them? Are Werkins PTFE coated or something?

 

Werkin Mini - http://www.werkinmini.com/
Detroit Tuned - http://www.detroittuned.com/shop/
Mynes Performance
Thumper Performance - http://www.thumperheads.com/

Call your supplier of choice, and talk to them about price and the like.

The NS cams will shortly be available at more outlets as well.

And for those that want to go direct to Crower. Yes, you can get a basic regrind from Crower for not much money. The NS1 and NS2 grinds cannot be bought directly from Crower. If you call them to order one, they will direct you elsewhere. These grinds are proprietary.

Matt

 

I had originally posted to this thread interested in the Crower/NS, but now after re- reading the thread, and all the PM's I received, I realize that most just seem more interested in arguing than anything else. Thanks to those of you who did actually send me info.

The one post in the whole thread that now stands out to me is this,

How is this Crower/NS any different? Cam regrinding has been around forever, what the hell is so proprietary that it justifies a 100% markup?

 

you can get a stock cam reground for $50
everyone can now tell me who's making money?

and that cam "reground" will NEVER have the lift or performance of a base Newman

I have all of the data on the NS cam

I'll start a cam thread when we have time around here so people can see the truth about the camshafts

 

from Way Motor Works.....

Matt

 

So if you put out a statement like this we all need to see your background in engine component design or are you just quoting what other people and your cam supplier are telling you? If you understood how the base circle and the lob lift are in relationship, you might not be making these colorful claims about regrind camshafts. May I recommend calling Newman cam's about cam design? In having personally talked to and met the designer of the NS series cams and having talked to the co-designer and maker of the NS cams, Dave Crower of Crower cams, I will definitely believe what they say. It may be possible to get Dave Crower to make a statement here? I can find out. Do you think we can get Dave Newman to make a statement here? That would be cool Here is an interesting statement right off of the Newman cam website,

" Be conservative! Don’t over-cam your engine. Choose your cam for the correct application. Consider! Fit a milder cam and increase
your power by 10 BHP at 3500 rpm."

Wow so Dave is saying to go "conservative"...hmmm

Oh and about, "I have all of the data on the NS cam", most reputable cam companies provide cam cards and are not afraid of what they sell.

And it's unfortunate that if you do start a thread on cam design, that the original designer of the NS series cams can not participate in the discussion, so there would only be one side of the story told

And the $50. regrind price....everyone knows that, yes you can get a "reground...refurbished", OEM spec camshaft from parts house's, but these are NOT performance cams, they are just cams that have been cleaned up and resold. No special or performance grinds.

 

You are mistaken there. I've built numerous (V8) engines thru the years, and performance cams can be purchased OUTRIGHT thru-out the $50 to $150 dollar range, Even the pricier brands don't go over $200. So I ask, in all honesty, what exactly is so special about the MINI cam, be it Crower regrind, Newman, RMW, Schrick etc. that they have such a premium? Is there really that much difference in manufacturing and grinding of an OH cam vs a pushrod type?

What was the first sentence in this thread anyway?

 

Obviously you have not been in the Mini performance scene very long? This has always been eye opening to non Mini people coming over from either the domestic or the Asian side of performance the market. The Mini market is VERY SMALL compared to these two markets, so almost everything is expensive in comparison. Unfortunately you can't just call Jegs..ect to get parts, most of the time you will need to go thru a Mini specific dealer, but there are a few parts you may find that you don't, but not many. If you want to play, you gotta pay....

 

at Custom Mini Shop - http://www.customminishop.com/

Matt

 

Don't you have them on your website Matt?

Side note: I can not get my shift light to work . Do you take calls around 6pm?

Longboard

 

SOOoo......
the Nirtostick cams are a re-grind of the OEM cam! Correct!!
The Nitrostick cams are below the spec of the Newman/ schrick cams! Correct!!
The cost of the Nitrostick cam is less than the Newman!! Correct!!

If you are NOT a full on Racer, or a person that isnt into the 7500 shift changes, and drives mostly on the streets... the small spec ( grinds) of the two Nitrostick Cams are the future!! They power sooner!! Their mid range is stronger!! And the topend power is slipping away at 6800-7200 revs, as to where the Newman and the others will pull some more ponies up at those revs!!
r50s have been impressed with the power of the NS1 with no tuning issues !!
Add a ported Head and the NS1 or even the NS2 to the r50s and the power is even greater!! Again with NO tune!! ( although we all know the TUNE is a major key with any mod!!)
Now add the SC and again... good solid power gains!! Still very street friendly and yet very strong for the twisties or the occasional Track day!!

The grinds ( spec) are different!! the power levels are different!! the cost is different.... it is just another option for us drivers!! Quality?? it IS A BMW Core camshaft, and designed and cut by ONE of the BEST well known Cam grinders in the US!! Yikes... how difficult is that??

Just me.................................

Thumper