Drivetrain Turbo vs Supercharged MINIs - let's meet at the track, RMW!!!
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Noticed who won the race to say it first??
If you drive the TVS like you did your twin charge then I only have to dip my toe into the 13s to hand you your ***
Leave the boost at 16psi Kal that be more than enough for Jan and his 30k engine conversion
If you drive the TVS like you did your twin charge then I only have to dip my toe into the 13s to hand you your ***
Leave the boost at 16psi Kal that be more than enough for Jan and his 30k engine conversion
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Would be a good answer but I've only driven 1 car in Cali, salesman talk again
Unfortunatley I couldn't here the faulty injector not working properly with my helmet on, but of course Jan would off
I should off just blamed the "bad gas" thats a popluar phrase in Cali
Unfortunatley I couldn't here the faulty injector not working properly with my helmet on, but of course Jan would off
I should off just blamed the "bad gas" thats a popluar phrase in Cali
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but I don't think it will fly.
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
Bet Phil would love it too! 2cents
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Maybe I have been away from NAM too long. I know who Jan is and what Jan does. Who is this other guy? How long have I been gone, a year or so? When did he become a player and how? And what does Paul Webster have to do with any of it, being that he is in England and sticks to drag racing, or so I understand. And why are none of the other vendors being challenged. Have they all been debunked as frauds by now?
P.S. And anyone who knows, knows that OnWhore-izon is the only way to go.
P.S. And anyone who knows, knows that OnWhore-izon is the only way to go.
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i don't have a problem with the event piggybacking along another event.
like I said, I just think it would be a great challenge.
lets ask the challengers. what event would you guys like to try to get added in with?
what kind of timeline do you need to prep the vehicle(s).
To make it fair, should we go with a set of class guidlines set by the track? I would think that would be the most fair way.
is this event justa 1/4 mile type challenge? or an autoX, or both? ( i would like to see both, myself).
I would also like anyone who wants to run there cars to be able to join in as well.
and Matt, thank you for your .02
at least it wasnt the, ever so annoying negative ones like that been posting.
even the mods, who are supposed to try and keep things exciting, acted really lame when this started unfolding. its a shame.
anyway, im in!
how can i help?
like I said, I just think it would be a great challenge.
lets ask the challengers. what event would you guys like to try to get added in with?
what kind of timeline do you need to prep the vehicle(s).
To make it fair, should we go with a set of class guidlines set by the track? I would think that would be the most fair way.
is this event justa 1/4 mile type challenge? or an autoX, or both? ( i would like to see both, myself).
I would also like anyone who wants to run there cars to be able to join in as well.
and Matt, thank you for your .02
at least it wasnt the, ever so annoying negative ones like that been posting.
even the mods, who are supposed to try and keep things exciting, acted really lame when this started unfolding. its a shame.
anyway, im in!
how can i help?
but I don't think it will fly.
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
I am under the impression (correct me if im wrong here) that Mini USA logs on here often and actually listens to our feedback on the car. If this is true, maybe they might want to bring there latest models, or maybe even bring out a concept car or two? how great would that be!
about trying to keep amounts invested equal to what the general public might be willing to spend.lol.
I love the drama. Ooooooh, this thread is going to single handedly bring down NAM. Oh man, our economy is in the toilet, we are in a war amd losing half a million jobs a month in this country and people are worried about this thread bringing down NAM? Thanks for the comic relief this morning.
There is a rhombus in the sky.
I love the drama. Ooooooh, this thread is going to single handedly bring down NAM. Oh man, our economy is in the toilet, we are in a war amd losing half a million jobs a month in this country and people are worried about this thread bringing down NAM? Thanks for the comic relief this morning.
There is a rhombus in the sky.
When the govt. is handing out a $775 billion dollar stimulus package, the economy doing poorly should be the least of your worries at this point...
So when are we looking at this going down? 3 months out yet, or has it been changed? I have no clue what is going on...my wife just came in and asked me why I'm beating my head into my keyboard and crying... I don't even think there are enough posts in this thread worthwhile to make 1 freaking page...
What's the latest status for those who don't want to go back through the bull$#!t?
Have we come to terms? Has a date been picked? Is it still going down on said track umpteen pages ago? Jan, are you running your 2.0 TVS with aftermarket ECU? Are we gonna wait until Jan creates the 1.6 w/ TVS?
For the record, I have no affiliation with these 2 companies. The closest I come is I have spoken on the phone to Jan. Nice guy BTW. I'm sure the guys at Mynes are as well.
*While I'm thinking of it, how reliable are your setups? I've always thought the SC route was more reliable. Having a Turbo'd 1.8 Integra, I know how much of a PITA that was. Mynes, is your kit consumer friendly? Would it be something the general public would be able to handle, or should it be purchased by more of an enthusiast type who knows more about what's going on and how to take care of it if something went wrong...?
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Also, wasnt RSR getting set up just as the new ones were coming out, or before that even? Maybe you should go ask them, they are on NAM after all.
Now, if MINI were serious about performance, you'd see factory involvement in teams like RSR. MINI doesn't want to touch that with a ten foot pole...no need to when they can sell more cars by offering union jack decals and door handles and such.
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*While I'm thinking of it, how reliable are your setups? I've always thought the SC route was more reliable. Having a Turbo'd 1.8 Integra, I know how much of a PITA that was. Mynes, is your kit consumer friendly? Would it be something the general public would be able to handle, or should it be purchased by more of an enthusiast type who knows more about what's going on and how to take care of it if something went wrong...?
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...8tq-16psi.html
On 16psi, this GT3071 is a very reliable setup; even my 06 MCS SC with the 15% is pushing 15psi in its current state.
The turbo kit is designed to be user-friendly, but it should be installed by a good mechanic or shop. The tricky part is the "return-type" system to increase reliability. While Kalvin's car is running on the stock 'returnless' system (but on a smaller GT28RS), there are plans to convert that to the "return-type" system to avoid fuel issues down the road. But nonetheless, the stock fuel system is sufficient for the 300whp mark.
Of course, with the higher HP & torque, the clutch, axles and suspension should also be upgraded also.
Hope that answers some of your questions. cheers.
After much development and testing by Hubie on the hardware side and Mynes on the software side, we have pretty much worked out all the kinks and figured out the right combo of parts for a reliable, fun street turbo setup. Here is the 2nd of a series of cars that Hubie has built over the year...
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...8tq-16psi.html
On 16psi, this GT3071 is a very reliable setup; even my 06 MCS SC with the 15% is pushing 15psi in its current state.
The turbo kit is designed to be user-friendly, but it should be installed by a good mechanic or shop. The tricky part is the "return-type" system to increase reliability. While Kalvin's car is running on the stock 'returnless' system (but on a smaller GT28RS), there are plans to convert that to the "return-type" system to avoid fuel issues down the road. But nonetheless, the stock fuel system is sufficient for the 300whp mark.
Of course, with the higher HP & torque, the clutch, axles and suspension should also be upgraded also.
Hope that answers some of your questions. cheers.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...8tq-16psi.html
On 16psi, this GT3071 is a very reliable setup; even my 06 MCS SC with the 15% is pushing 15psi in its current state.
The turbo kit is designed to be user-friendly, but it should be installed by a good mechanic or shop. The tricky part is the "return-type" system to increase reliability. While Kalvin's car is running on the stock 'returnless' system (but on a smaller GT28RS), there are plans to convert that to the "return-type" system to avoid fuel issues down the road. But nonetheless, the stock fuel system is sufficient for the 300whp mark.
Of course, with the higher HP & torque, the clutch, axles and suspension should also be upgraded also.
Hope that answers some of your questions. cheers.
The widow is a beautiful car
for sure. Brian did an awesome job building that car and the engine bay looks as good as it performance. I'm glad to see Brian turned the boost down so he stopped breaking things and can finally enjoy his car. What is the cost of this kit all in to duplicate this performance with installation if some one sent you their car?
Longboard
Hey Mike,
The widow is a beautiful car for sure. Brian did an awesome job building that car and the engine bay looks as good as it performance. I'm glad to see Brian turned the boost down so he stopped breaking things and can finally enjoy his car.
What is the cost of this kit all in to duplicate this performance with installation if some one sent you their car?
Longboard
The widow is a beautiful car
for sure. Brian did an awesome job building that car and the engine bay looks as good as it performance. I'm glad to see Brian turned the boost down so he stopped breaking things and can finally enjoy his car. What is the cost of this kit all in to duplicate this performance with installation if some one sent you their car?
Longboard
Perhaps post the question in the other post and get the official response from Hubie. We'll be adding a TC kit on my green machine in the near future and with ours, we would like to keep the hardware cost to the 6-7k range; although it would not come even close in appearance to Brian's car, but we think the performance should be around the 300whp level. Brian put his heart and sweat into the Widowmaker and it shows
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Would you shut up while the adults are talking please. You don't think stuff like this does anything cause you know about as much as the asphalt they are racing on.
Seriously. Take a chance to learn from a real mini Dr. And stfu
Seriously. Take a chance to learn from a real mini Dr. And stfu
but I don't think it will fly.
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
Look, there are already open track events that are out there with rules and all the other stuff that one wants, and how's the attendance there? Um, it's declining... That's for sure....
Wicks has races at a track near AMVIV that's Mini only. There are hundreds of Minis that go to AMVIV. This year, attendance is down, as are the number of vendors.
Hooked on Driving has HPDEs that were mini only.. Last couple had to be opened to other cars because there weren't enough Minis signed up to fill the event.
Really, the track rats already have thier places to play that they like, and the organizations that run them. And to tell the truth, running with Minis is fun, but I find it more fun to run with groups where there's a nice mix of car models.
Really, things like this don't settle anything. There's so much that goes into a good race from the driver, the car set up, the track conditions, the weather whatever that whoever wins on one day may not win the next. So what does one get? Bragging rights till the next green flag drops.
What's it cost a vendor to show up at something like this? three day weekend with staff, hotels, food and the like. That's a lot of stuff to sell to cover costs, even before someone volenteers more money to help sponsor events. And think about it, how many people who go to these things make a point to buy stuff from the vendors at the shows to make it worth vendors time to show up? (FWIW, at the Nor Cal Shelby events I try to buy a $5-$10 part from each vendor there to help with thier costs... It's not much but it helps.... At AMVIV I try to buy as well, but I can't afford to buy from everyone.....)
While Mulas efforts are sincere, I think they're a bit naive... Re-read Gnatsters post on the costs.... It's a lot of money for sure.
Want something like this to have a chance of working? How about tagging along on an existing event, and getting interested parties to show up. Oh wait... That's what started this whole thing......
Matt
.Not sure why the mods haven't banned you especially when your telling members to STFU. Couple that with the fact you admit your posting from a Mobil device to keep the mods from finding out that you probably have been banned before I think it's just as matter of time before your tossed.
Have fun while it lasts "banned"!
Longboard
I would have thought that upgraded axles wouldn't be necessary given that the power is coming later in the rpm band. Is it really necessary to upgrade the axles with the 300whp turbo kit?
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no need to upgrade the axles if you run DOT tires. we have put 500+whp thru the factory axles.
i would recommend upgrading them if you drag race and plan on running slicks; we have custom half shafts made for us and are in the process of testing at the track and on the streets.
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Oh longboard. What would you do with out mods. The reason I haven't been ban is because what I said about all this stuff is true. A) jan needs to man up and admit who he stole all his stuff from. B) "dr.O" is a long winded blather mouth who hasn't done anything. He has plugged in stuff to minus. Woo hoooo. But he only know a bunch of numbers that tell us nothing. Therefore he needs to shut the freak up. you have a dirty mouth to think is droped the f bomb.
You act like being banned would hurt. Unlike you and the other fan boys. I am not worried about loosing access here. It wouldn't really change my life. I'm here for the entertainment. For some I am it. Sometimes others are it for me. That's the fun part.
Here's clue #360879: I've never been ban before.
The reason this whole thing is great is because the real titains of the mini world who have been seperated fir various reasons are going to finally go head to head as jan has asked for time and again from other lesser vendors. But now he challenges the one who taught him and his friends. Will the small amount of stuff he took be enough?
Sounds like a good movie.
you have a dirty mouth to think is droped the f bomb. You act like being banned would hurt. Unlike you and the other fan boys. I am not worried about loosing access here. It wouldn't really change my life. I'm here for the entertainment. For some I am it. Sometimes others are it for me. That's the fun part.
Here's clue #360879: I've never been ban before.
The reason this whole thing is great is because the real titains of the mini world who have been seperated fir various reasons are going to finally go head to head as jan has asked for time and again from other lesser vendors. But now he challenges the one who taught him and his friends. Will the small amount of stuff he took be enough?
Sounds like a good movie.
STFU .
Not sure why the mods haven't banned you especially when your telling members to STFU. Couple that with the fact you admit your posting from a Mobil device to keep the mods from finding out that you probably have been banned before I think it's just as matter of time before your tossed.
Have fun while it lasts "banned"!
Longboard
.Not sure why the mods haven't banned you especially when your telling members to STFU. Couple that with the fact you admit your posting from a Mobil device to keep the mods from finding out that you probably have been banned before I think it's just as matter of time before your tossed.
Have fun while it lasts "banned"!
Longboard
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Oh longboard. What would you do with out mods. The reason I haven't been ban is because what I said about all this stuff is true. A) jan needs to man up and admit who he stole all his stuff from. B) "dr.O) is a long winded blather mouth who hasn't done anything. He has plugged in stuff to minus. Woo hoooo. But he only know a bunch of numbers that tell us nothing. Therefore he needs to shut the freak up. you have a dirty mouth to think is said the f bomb
you have a dirty mouth to think is said the f bombBTW longboard....his spelling and grammar are too refined to be Lynn/banned