I agree with you there

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

I have the M7 IC and DFIC. When I insalled it the Kelleners ECU had to be analyzed and tuned. We are still working bugs out and fine tuning the ECU. But bottom line M7 is awsome. Make sure you have a good seal on the IC....to take advantege of all the direct air u can get.

I also have the SC Aerogel installed and the MINI is running wild...more on demand throttle response. SCs love COLD air!!!

Just my 2 cents.

 

While the Aerogel helps w/ heat management - there is no evidence that it improves throttle response. Wishful thinking on your part.

 

My apologies to everyone for my actions yesterday.

 

Try to stay on your meds, eh? Works for me. Most of the time. Other times, not so much.

So, have we decided which IC I need to buy yet?

 

Paul, seems like it depends on who your listen to, and if either one of you are on or off the meds at the time.

Sounds like they needs some kind of Dyno day to test their products at the same time and place!!
After reading all this, I'd pay to watch that!!

 

Well with the utmost sensitivity to all concerned, the reason we are this many pages in with little resolution is M7 claims their unit does not have a fair representation on the dyno, that it works in the real world. Alta has posted dyno figures for their units.
I think we would all like to see a side by side dyno day. I'd pay for that, but it won't solve the fighting. If everyone involved can agree to a set of fair testing criteria we can put all units through the tests and see which wins.

Didn't we talk about this on page 2 or 3 or 7? It's beginning to feel like groundhog's day.

 

All this drama and I haven't even posted anything in days...

 

What drama?

 

I was referring to the brief quarrel between a few posters a page or two back.

 

It was not my observation. It was from Steve at Steve's Auto Clinic in 2005 after he installed an Alta CAI, 15% pulley and one-ball exhaust. He took the car for a test drive while you were driving the Cosworth car. According to Steve, he said that your car could barely keep up with my car and you were unable to pull away. My car is a very fast MINI and had the highest WHP and TQ numbers post RMW tune of any car that Jan had seen with basic mods. Many who have driven my car think that it has a head +/- cam. I didn't mean to imply that there was any definative scientific comparison.

 

What points regarding tuning do you disagree about?

 

As has been suggested by others, I don't think that any comparative testing will be satisfactory to the vendors and readers of this thread. For any given set of data, there will be objections because a whole lot of testing conditions (e.g., variable ambient temperatures, untested ancillary mods, etc., ad nauseum---) will not have been addressed. Such objections will come from vendors and/or readers, depending on whether the data serve their respective biases.

IMO, any prospective buyer should just become familiar with the existing data (or lack thereof), then make up his or her mind. As I have suggested before, "Caveat emptor"---.

 

Oops, thought you were talking about Randy's car, not a Cosworth car! Sorry for the wasted post.

 

Unfortunately, you are right. I recall way back when a simple CAI comparison was done and all of the "fouls" being raised. I'm not saying its not worth trying but it always falls short of the intended. The one thing you always get when you try doing a comparison is quality bashing .

I applaud anyone willing to give it a shot and is willing to suffer the repercussions.

 

maybe if the vendors showed up at the track to run it in real world conditions you could see how well the products worked

 

Ok everyone just a little update for you.
I've had a few busy weekends with our local Mini club installing mods for our members so I apologize for taking so long.

Today after working on a few peoples cars we had time to actually start messing around with the software and equipment. We were able to familiarize ourselves with the software and set everything up. We were doing some "test" runs with the software and equipment to make sure that it was working and we understood everything. While doing this I broke one of the sensors Its a minor weld from a sensor wire to a flat probe but we didn't have the means to weld it back together.

I will be able to get the probe back together Mon. however it might be a couple more weeks before I can actually spend a day testing the 4 intercoolers I have. Next weekends the 4rth then the following weekend I will be out of town.

I will tell you that we were able to get some test temps while we were making sure things worked on two different intercoolers on two different cars and the results were both surprising and interesting! This is going to be a fun and exciting project for us

 

Larry I was actually hoping you had something more concrete than that one event a couple of years ago. You car runs very well no doubt but I really do not know if it was faster than Bills on that day. For one thing contrary to popular belief I do not run 10/10s on the street. More importantly I never push someone else's car 10/10 either . As we were both just exiting steves shop onto a busy and mostly residential street a aggressive take off is one thing but a full on max out of the available HP is not ,as the church lady used to say, " prudent " . As I recall I did just enough with Bill's car to stay ahead of Steve in your car up to the point I thought it was time be an adult and slow down . I know you see Bill now and then perhaps you want a rematch ?I believe Bill is also taking the car to Bonneville this year to run it at the Speed Week event . Now there would be a great place to answer all questions wouldn't it ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

better yet.... bring both cars to SOW and end this banter

 

I am always surprised when people take this stuff so seriously. I am only repeating what Steve said and what he claimed that you said to him about my car. For the record, my MINI is a fun street car, is not that fast and I am a fairly poor driver. I am 53 years old and my memory of that day in 2005 might be wrong. I am not sure I know who Bill is but I am sure that his car would kill mine at Bonneville. In the future I will be more careful what I post on NAM or I will use a secret code (FWIWTDFICISABIFM7B - RMWFTW)

 

No worries , I thought that perhaps you had other info other experiences other than just that one event . As for Bonneville you should really think about it . You know most of the SCMM crew that are going and it will be more of a relaxed affair with some fast legal driving . It is more of a motor event than driver skill but there is still plenty of that needed as well. Your car should do very well there .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Intense, I've lost track of the 4 IC's your gonna test.

I have a M7 DFIC ver1 and a one off Forge IC that I could send you one of them at a time to include in your testing. He's a pic of the Forge perhaps it will wet your appetite.

 

Let's settle it at SOW.... much closer and just as laid back

 

Can someone please explain to me what running at Bonneville for top speed is going to prove.

 

One things for sure....we could get some data on speeds where aero actually matters

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