Duh! I paid more for it, of course.

 

i cant believe you guys didin't like my shoe analogy, it took me so long to come up with an analogy that wasn't talking about ***** or peckers- the analogy being someone saying they have a big this or that but without numbers these generalized statements don't mean much. and rally@stancedesign i felt like i should be riding in a short bus all day while i was at work for telling you that you should be DRIVING a short bus instead of RIDING in one-man, i have got to work on my communication skills. grrrr

 

You say I have an agenda??

I at least have offered first hand experience and knowledge from owning a DFIC V2. I even put together a test of three different intercoolers I had and offered a constructive opinion.

More than I can say about the posts of cynical smilies you have offered. I am simply trying to "weed out" those that are here to do nothing more than throw stones at a vendor. Until you can offer any sort of educated advise I suggest watching and letting the "Grown ups" handle things

 

Would you like to sell any of them? No really .

 

ok ok... this last post I made makes me feel a bit bad.

What I'm REALLY trying to say there bend is comn man, all you've said in this thread is

There is more than a couple smilies in ya isn't there? If you have first hand experience or knowledge about these products feel free. You say you can read great! You say you have experience great! In what?

I heard thru the grapvine and I saw something on the dyno once isn't cutting it for most I'm thinking at this point

 

Drop me a PM if your're interested in the stocker. comes with all the parts including the JCW cover.

 

wow I've been following this thread from the beginning and I step away for (maybe at best) a day and I just spent close to an hour reading all the posts I missed...a lot of analogies and nonsense that just allows people to argue more. I'm for testing these products and letting the numbers do the talking. I'm wondering how the vendors of these products feel though???? Are they "shaking in their boots" or anxious to see the results to prove they were right to the naysayers. Let the testing contine...I can't wait to see the results!! (btw I hate this smiley but it seems to fit this time)

Steve

 

Nick (aka Rusty...)
Bob.
What's up with your car, hear anything back yet?

Larry (aka Bzzzz...)
Please let's stay on topic. BTW, Bob I saw your car at Mini Corsa last Friday.

My Mini has been hanging out at Danny's place, where some serious wiring/electrical issues are being sorted out. Hopefully, we are in the home stretch, and I certainly look forward to getting "The Annihilator" back on the road .

 

Why dident this thread stop a while ago?
Seriously the case should be made that both the M7 and the Alta suck for what most will use them for.
Im not saying that they are bad products (they may or umm maynot be.)
I cant say even though ive never had them There is enough write ups and testing and logic out there to tell the common modder that this is a pointless and expensive moddification to make to your car.
there are plenty of other things that will net you much more power and will support even more power down the road. really for the 800 to 1000 dollars you could spend on one of these egg cookers you could buy and Rmw header or somones exaust. Or you could get a Rmw or shrick cam thats gonna net you the same sort of gain....
Come on lets think with our heads and try to help out some of the less read memebers besides thats what mark would point out we should do.

Just saying there are better mods for this guy then buying a giant intercooler.

 

I think I have decided to remove my hood for the best cooling effects....

 

i think the reason this thread has continued is simply because neither m7 or alta has stepped up to the plate and were completely up front about the performance gains or lack there of regarding their IC's. Seeing as most of the posts are from regulars in the drivetrain forum it's clear that we all want to extract more power from our engines and without numbers or specifics as to the performance gains of an aftermarket IC there's a lot of grey area when it comes to making an imformed decision about installing one and no one wants to throw away money
it's like if someone is trying to sell you some shoes....

 

Now all you need to do is charge some $$$ for it and you got yourself an idea.

 

 

And I am sure with your wealth of knowlege you will make sure we all make the best choice based on your opinion only. I can read and do research just as easily as you. I don't necessarily need to buy a product to know if it will work for me or not. There are enough "pros" here that I trust.

 

It doesn't seem likely that they are going to step up in this thread, that's for sure.

 

I think its the opposite , for most people they will work fine. Are they expensive, yes. Are they pointless, no depending on application.

Wrong comparison, IC only recoup lost power due to heat. Heads, Cams, ect... are mods that add power. Even a full blown RMW car can benefit from an IC and that is why Jan is looking into A/W IC units.

Its not that there are better mods (each mod is different) it's that ICs fall farther down on the list of engine mods. In this case, I agree there are better places for this guy to start spending his money. When it comes to engine mods, IC units don't come into consideration until mod 10 on the list or there abouts.

 

Where are all these "pros" and why don't they chime in? Are you saying goaljnky, rustyboy155, or even british RACING green are the "pros"? Because even though these three have a lot of experience and are good tuners to THEIR OWN CARS, I fail to see them with concrete numbers to back that stock works better than aftermarket. Your opinion also means nothing to those trying to make a choice on whether to get an aftermarket intercooler or not because you have NO personal experience. At least some of these guys have done PERSONAL testing...

 

Easy there. I never claimed to be a pro at anything. I like to retain my amateur status in all things in order to remain eligible for the Olympics. And to ask for numbers to prove that stock works better than A/M is a bit like putting the cart before the horse. What you should be asking for is concrete numbers that prove that A/M works better than stock. After all, it's the A/M tooners asking you to spend the money on their product. The burden of proof should therefore fall on them.

 

I was not saying you were a "pro". I was asking Scottinbend who these "pros" were that he was speaking of. My point is that there are no numbers either way. There is no concrete proof that these aftermarket intercoolers do nothing. And again we go back to the discussion before about how each person uses their car for different purposes. To say the DFIC is pointless on my completely street driven car may not be entirely true...

 

well this just proves that m7 and their killer kustomer service is not so killer.
peter where are you... and alta seriously why are we talking about unproven products.
and do you really need to have hard data to prove that either or is better or worse...
i mean if your out there to buy one me telling you your an idiot is not gonna stop ya.
personaly if anyone had engine logic you would realise the point so many of us are trying to make....
theres nothing wrong with having one i just think that this is the wrong time for this particular one...
and as far as an Rmw head. it will lower Intake temps because it flows better and that would = less boost and umm heat.
Let the flames begin.

 

Some pros have already done so. Dr. Obnxs has written a report comparing 4 intercoolers. I will be glad to send you a copy.

 

perhaps it will lower engine temps but how can it lower intake temps, considering it is after any/all intake components.

 

I would love for you to send me a copy of this so I am read. Thanks.

 

did you hear that, I'm a Pro!!! yes!