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Various consumer unit are still directly connected to terminal 30.
Terminal R
The CAS switches terminal R.
Terminal 15
The CAS switches terminal 15.
Terminal 30g: Switched continuous +
The relay terminal 30g is always present.
The relay terminal 30g is activated by the Car Access System (CAS).
Time-dependent cutoff:
The relay terminal 30g switches the connected consumer units off approx. 30 minutes after terminal R Off.
If a telephone is fitted in the vehicle, the after-run time is extended to 60 minutes.
Terminal 30g_f:
The relay terminal 30g-f is only fitted with High equipment, e.g. if the Car Communication Computer (CCC) was ordered.
In the event of faults, the relay terminal 30g-f switches the connected consumer units off. The relay terminal 30g-f is controlled by the junction box electronics.
Relay terminal 30g-f is a bi-stable relay. Each switch mode is retained even without current. Under normal conditions, the relay is always switched on. In the event of a fault, the relay switches the connected consumer units off.
The following switch-off and switch-on conditions apply to the relay terminal 30g-f:
Cutout conditions:
Reception of the message ”Signal off”.
After 5 minutes, relay terminal 30g-f is switched off.
The battery status is continuously read out and evaluated in the engine control module. If the starting capability of the vehicle battery is insufficient, the relay is also switched off.
Data interchange on the buses for 10 minutes after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Vehicle is 'wakened' 20 times after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Switch-on conditions:
When the relay terminal 30g-f is switched off, it can only by switched on again with defined conditions required for switch-on.
Conditions required for switch-on for relay terminal 30g-f:
Unlock vehicle
Opening the luggage compartment lid / bonnet or door
Switching on terminal R
The junction box electronics (JBE) monitor the closed-circuit current when the vehicle is at a standstill. The following faults can be detected:
Unauthorized waking operations on the bus systems
Control modules that keep the bus systems continuously active (inhibit ”sleep”)
Thanks , oPossum for that very valuable information, Im sure that a lot of us folks in NAM can use this info in the future for their mods/ troubleshooting. I think this should be made a STICKY.
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Last edited by djam43; 07-01-2007 at 12:48 PM.
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What a great help this will be -Thanks for all the info , will really help a lot.
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Can anyone interpret the cut-out conditions for 30g_f fuses for me? Will it basically stay on overnight after I leave and lock the doors as long as the battery power is adequate? What is the "signal off" message?
Below are two pictures of the "Under Hood Fuse Box"
First is the Cover:
Below are the fuses
Now for the inside guide:
Last, Inside Fuses:
Hope this helps!
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Last edited by bearcat245; 09-07-2008 at 03:50 PM.
Managed I think to short the rear lights for the license plate. Now dead! Any idea if this is fused??
did you remove the boot handle? does the hatch release button work? i busted my boot handle's wiring harness plug during a prior install after too aggressive dremeling. i ended up buying a new boot handle.
did you remove the boot handle? does the hatch release button work? i busted my boot handle's wiring harness plug during a prior install after too aggressive dremeling. i ended up buying a new boot handle.
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Last edited by Greg Davis; 02-02-2009 at 07:56 AM.
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I notice that the rear cigar socket is on a 20amp fuse, but uses a 1.5mm wire. From the research I have gathered, a 1.5mm wire is equal to a 16awg wire. The highest rated fuse for a 16awg wire is only 7.5 amps. Why would there be a 20 amp fuse on this circuit???
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I notice that the rear cigar socket is on a 20amp fuse, but uses a 1.5mm wire. From the research I have gathered, a 1.5mm wire is equal to a 16awg wire. The highest rated fuse for a 16awg wire is only 7.5 amps. Why would there be a 20 amp fuse on this circuit???
Interesting question. According to charts (such as this), 1.5 mm diameter is between 14awg and 15awg, and that corresponds to approximately 10 amp maximum recommended fuse size. The front and rear cigarette sockets are in parallel on the same fuse so I guess they chose 20A fuse to handle two sockets each running 10A. However a 20A fuse really wouldn't be safe because you can draw 20A from one socket without blowing the fuse and possibly overheat the wire.
Interesting question. According to charts (such as this), 1.5 mm diameter is between 14awg and 15awg, and that corresponds to approximately 10 amp maximum recommended fuse size. The front and rear cigarette sockets are in parallel on the same fuse so I guess they chose 20A fuse to handle two sockets each running 10A. However a 20A fuse really wouldn't be safe because you can draw 20A from one socket without blowing the fuse and possibly overheat the wire.
hmmm, maybe we should put a 10A fuse in? i'm never going to be drawing 10A out of both sockets at once.
I was wondering about the color codes of the wires and went looking the following is from a web site for BMW and it works for the Mini and I was able to use the line coming out for the alarm system to provide power for the garage door opener now off my visor and inside the the dash with a switch right behind the cigarette lighter.
BMW WIRING COLOR CODES
Code German English
BL blau blue
BR braun brown
GE gelb yellow
GR grau gray
GN grun green
RT rot red
SW schwartz black
WS weiss white
VI violett violet
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The fuse info is nice, but it is interesting that none is marked 'headlights' or 'parking lights' I need to tie me gauge lights into a switched wire that is not dimmed, as they are LED's. Can anyone help?
thanks
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The fuse info is nice, but it is interesting that none is marked 'headlights' or 'parking lights' I need to tie me gauge lights into a switched wire that is not dimmed, as they are LED's. Can anyone help?
thanks
F10 is a good switched hit, as odds are no phone... at least I didn't have one.
if you need a delayed off... F2 works well.
see this:
Terminal 30g: Switched continuous +
The relay terminal 30g is always present.
The relay terminal 30g is activated by the Car Access System (CAS).
Time-dependent cutoff:
The relay terminal 30g switches the connected consumer units off approx. 30 minutes after terminal R Off.
If a telephone is fitted in the vehicle, the after-run time is extended to 60 minutes.
Terminal 30g_f:
The relay terminal 30g-f is only fitted with High equipment, e.g. if the Car Communication Computer (CCC) was ordered.
In the event of faults, the relay terminal 30g-f switches the connected consumer units off. The relay terminal 30g-f is controlled by the junction box electronics.
Relay terminal 30g-f is a bi-stable relay. Each switch mode is retained even without current. Under normal conditions, the relay is always switched on. In the event of a fault, the relay switches the connected consumer units off.
The following switch-off and switch-on conditions apply to the relay terminal 30g-f:
Cutout conditions:
Reception of the message ”Signal off”.
After 5 minutes, relay terminal 30g-f is switched off.
The battery status is continuously read out and evaluated in the engine control module. If the starting capability of the vehicle battery is insufficient, the relay is also switched off.
Data interchange on the buses for 10 minutes after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Vehicle is 'wakened' 20 times after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Switch-on conditions:
When the relay terminal 30g-f is switched off, it can only by switched on again with defined conditions required for switch-on.
Conditions required for switch-on for relay terminal 30g-f:
Unlock vehicle
Opening the luggage compartment lid / bonnet or door