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oPossum 07-01-2007 01:07 AM

Hot or Not (Fuses)
 
JBE Fuse List

- Fuse
- Fuse Size
- Supply Circuit (see next post)
- Connector
- Connector Pin
- Wire Size (mm)
- Wire Color
- Usage

F1 Not Used
F2 20A 30G_F X11003 5 2.5 RT/BL Trailer Socket
F3 30A 30 X11001 10 2.5 GN/GE Headlight Washer Pump
F4 30A 30 X11003 10 2.5 RT/WS Trailer Module
F5 30A 30 X11007 5 2.5 RT/BL Footwell Module
F6 20A 30G X11007 6 2.5 RT/GR Amplifier
F7 30A 30G X11003 4 2.5 RT/GR Sunroof
F8 30A 30 X11007 10 2.5 RT/VI Footwell Module
F9 15A 30 Central Locking
F10 10A 30G X11003 8 0.75 SW/GN Telephone (may be 0.35 WS x 2)
F11 10A 30G X11003 7 0.75 RT/BL Satellite Radio Tuner and Digital Radio Tuner
F12 10A 30G X11006 3 0.75 RT/GE CD Changer
F13 15A 30G X11003 9 1.5 RT Transmission Control
F14 10A 30G X11007 8 0.75 VI/GR Make-up mirror lights, roof operating unit, luggage compartment light
F15 10A 30G X11009 3 0.5 RT/GE Steering column switch cluster
F16 5A 30G X11008 10 0.75 OR Dynaimc Stablility Control (DSC)
F17 5A 30G X11008 18 0.5 RT/VI Rain/headlight sensor
X11008 9 0.5 SW/RT Transmisson control, Tire pressure control (RDC)
F18 10A 30G X11009 7 0.75 RT/GE Heaing/air conditioning system
X11006 13 0.5 RT/BL Glove compartment light
F19 10A 30G_F X11001 8 0.75 RT/GE Comfort access control module
F20 7A 30G_F X11008 13 0.75 RT/GE Outside mirror fold-in
F21 10A 30G X11003 6 0.75 RT/GE MINI Joystick
X11009 9 0.75 RT/GN Radio
X11009 9 0.75 GE Central information display
F22 15A 30 X11010 10 1.5 RT/GN Rear wiper drive
F23 10A 30 X11007 9 0.75 WS Compressor clutch
F24 15A 30 Windshield washer pump
F25 5A 30 X11008 1 0.5 RT/GN Electrochromatic interior rear view mirror
F26 7A 30 X11008 12 0.5 SW/BL Siren with tilt alarm sensor
F27 5A 30 X11006 11 0.5 RT/BL/GE OBDII socket
F28 15A 30 X11001 3 1.5 RT/GN Relay 2 for rear window wiper
F29 5A 15 X11001 7 0.5 SW/GR/GE Telephone
F30 5A 15 X11001 6 0.5 GN/WS Park distance control (PDC)
F31 5A 15 X11008 11 0.5 GN/RT AUC sensor
X11008 2 0.5 GN/GE DC/DC converter
F32 7A 15 X11008 5 0.75 RT/BL Mirror adjustment switch
X11008 14 0.5 GN Seat heating module
F33 5A 15 X11008 15 0.5 SW/RT/WS DSC Sensor
F34 5A 30 X11006 10 0.5 RT/BL Car access system
F35 Not used
F36 Not used
F37 5A 30G_F X11006 9 0.5 RT/GE Additional steering column instruments
F38 30A 30 X11007 1 2.5 SW Rear window defroster
F39 30A 30 X11001 1 2.5 GE/RT Passenger's seat heating module
F40 30A 30 X11001 5 2.5 GN/RT Driver's seat heating module
F41 20A 30 X11001 9 1.5 RT/VI Trailer module
F42 20A 15 X11007 2 1.5 RT/SW/GE Cigar ligher, rear charging socket
F43 20A 30 X11010 9 1.5 WS/BL Fuel pump
F44 20A 30 X11010 12 1.5 RT/BL Horns
F45 30A 30G_F X11009 10 2.5 RT/GN CCC/M-ASK
F46 30A 30 X11009 5 4.0 RT/BL Blower motor
F47 40A 30 X11005 2 4.0 RT/VI Footwell module
F48 40A 30 X11005 1 4.0 RT/GE Footwell module
F49 40A 30 X11006 1 2.5 RT Car access system
X11006 2 2.5 RT Car access system


Main Fuse Block

F60 125A X18090 1 16.0 RT JBE
F67 150A X13020 1 25.0 RT Front power distribution box
F68 40A X6401 1 6.0 RT Fuel injectors/valvetronic
F69 100A X14273 1 10.0 RT Electic heater

Fuse and connector locations

Formatted text

oPossum 07-01-2007 01:13 AM

Terminal 30: Continuous +
Various consumer unit are still directly connected to terminal 30.

Terminal R
The CAS switches terminal R.

Terminal 15
The CAS switches terminal 15.

Terminal 30g: Switched continuous +
The relay terminal 30g is always present.
The relay terminal 30g is activated by the Car Access System (CAS).
Time-dependent cutoff:
The relay terminal 30g switches the connected consumer units off approx. 30 minutes after terminal R Off.
If a telephone is fitted in the vehicle, the after-run time is extended to 60 minutes.

Terminal 30g_f:
The relay terminal 30g-f is only fitted with High equipment, e.g. if the Car Communication Computer (CCC) was ordered.
In the event of faults, the relay terminal 30g-f switches the connected consumer units off. The relay terminal 30g-f is controlled by the junction box electronics.
Relay terminal 30g-f is a bi-stable relay. Each switch mode is retained even without current. Under normal conditions, the relay is always switched on. In the event of a fault, the relay switches the connected consumer units off.

The following switch-off and switch-on conditions apply to the relay terminal 30g-f:

Cutout conditions:
  • Reception of the message ”Signal off”.
    After 5 minutes, relay terminal 30g-f is switched off.
  • The battery status is continuously read out and evaluated in the engine control module. If the starting capability of the vehicle battery is insufficient, the relay is also switched off.
  • Data interchange on the buses for 10 minutes after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
  • Vehicle is 'wakened' 20 times after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Switch-on conditions:
When the relay terminal 30g-f is switched off, it can only by switched on again with defined conditions required for switch-on.
Conditions required for switch-on for relay terminal 30g-f:
  • Unlock vehicle
  • Opening the luggage compartment lid / bonnet or door
  • Switching on terminal R
The junction box electronics (JBE) monitor the closed-circuit current when the vehicle is at a standstill. The following faults can be detected:
  • Unauthorized waking operations on the bus systems
  • Control modules that keep the bus systems continuously active (inhibit ”sleep”)

djam43 07-01-2007 11:42 AM

Thanks , oPossum for that very valuable information, Im sure that a lot of us folks in NAM can use this info in the future for their mods/ troubleshooting. I think this should be made a STICKY.

Robin Casady 08-27-2007 11:16 AM

Thanks very much for this info. Very useful.

Loony2N 08-27-2007 11:18 AM

Which build is this for?

djam43 08-27-2007 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by LynnEl (Post 1714831)
Which build is this for?

R56:thumbsup:

Loony2N 08-27-2007 11:21 AM

Tanks!

mikeyb17 02-29-2008 11:06 AM

What a great help this will be -Thanks for all the info , will really help a lot.

JAceMin 06-06-2008 05:37 PM

Sweet, I was just looking for this... as I was about to do some custom wiring, saved me!

:thumbsup:

lacning74 06-18-2008 08:35 AM

Can anyone interpret the cut-out conditions for 30g_f fuses for me? Will it basically stay on overnight after I leave and lock the doors as long as the battery power is adequate? What is the "signal off" message?

bearcat245 09-07-2008 12:32 PM

2008 Mini Cooper S Fuse Boxes
 
Below are two pictures of the "Under Hood Fuse Box"
First is the Cover:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...Hood-Fuses.jpg
Below are the fuses
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...Fuses08MCS.jpg
Now for the inside guide:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...de_MCS2008.jpg
Last, Inside Fuses:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...es_MCS2008.jpg
Hope this helps!:nod:

Juiceman 09-07-2008 01:04 PM

It amazes me all the fuses in the new minis. My old 63 mini only had 2 fuses:lol:

Brent@minidomore.com 11-03-2008 08:12 PM

Fuse for rear license plate lights?
 
Managed I think to short the rear lights for the license plate. Now dead! Any idea if this is fused??

lacning74 11-04-2008 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Brent@minidomore.com (Post 2538322)
Managed I think to short the rear lights for the license plate. Now dead! Any idea if this is fused??

did you remove the boot handle? does the hatch release button work? i busted my boot handle's wiring harness plug during a prior install after too aggressive dremeling. i ended up buying a new boot handle.

Brent@minidomore.com 11-04-2008 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by lacning74 (Post 2538709)
did you remove the boot handle? does the hatch release button work? i busted my boot handle's wiring harness plug during a prior install after too aggressive dremeling. i ended up buying a new boot handle.

Nope, this is on a Clubman.

Greg Davis 02-02-2009 06:27 AM

Deleted - Moved to own thread.

Xray'dit_Mini 02-17-2009 10:56 PM

I have a question...
 
I notice that the rear cigar socket is on a 20amp fuse, but uses a 1.5mm wire. From the research I have gathered, a 1.5mm wire is equal to a 16awg wire. The highest rated fuse for a 16awg wire is only 7.5 amps. Why would there be a 20 amp fuse on this circuit???:confused:

rkw 02-18-2009 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by Xray'dit_Mini (Post 2670476)
I notice that the rear cigar socket is on a 20amp fuse, but uses a 1.5mm wire. From the research I have gathered, a 1.5mm wire is equal to a 16awg wire. The highest rated fuse for a 16awg wire is only 7.5 amps. Why would there be a 20 amp fuse on this circuit???:confused:

Interesting question. According to charts (such as this), 1.5 mm diameter is between 14awg and 15awg, and that corresponds to approximately 10 amp maximum recommended fuse size. The front and rear cigarette sockets are in parallel on the same fuse so I guess they chose 20A fuse to handle two sockets each running 10A. However a 20A fuse really wouldn't be safe because you can draw 20A from one socket without blowing the fuse and possibly overheat the wire.

lacning74 02-18-2009 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by rkw (Post 2670508)
Interesting question. According to charts (such as this), 1.5 mm diameter is between 14awg and 15awg, and that corresponds to approximately 10 amp maximum recommended fuse size. The front and rear cigarette sockets are in parallel on the same fuse so I guess they chose 20A fuse to handle two sockets each running 10A. However a 20A fuse really wouldn't be safe because you can draw 20A from one socket without blowing the fuse and possibly overheat the wire.

hmmm, maybe we should put a 10A fuse in? i'm never going to be drawing 10A out of both sockets at once.

Tron Chief 03-23-2009 08:59 PM

I was wondering about the color codes of the wires and went looking the following is from a web site for BMW and it works for the Mini and I was able to use the line coming out for the alarm system to provide power for the garage door opener now off my visor and inside the the dash with a switch right behind the cigarette lighter.

BMW WIRING COLOR CODES
Code German English
BL blau blue
BR braun brown
GE gelb yellow
GR grau gray
GN grun green
RT rot red
SW schwartz black
WS weiss white
VI violett violet

fishbert 04-18-2009 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Juiceman (Post 2458681)
It amazes me all the fuses in the new minis. My old 63 mini only had 2 fuses:lol:

And it only caught fire twice! :razz:

TerryD 04-19-2009 03:08 PM

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Tron Chief 07-10-2009 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by fishbert (Post 2739194)
And it only caught fire twice! :razz:

They just don't make them like they use to :nod:

windfall 07-11-2009 05:10 PM

The fuse info is nice, but it is interesting that none is marked 'headlights' or 'parking lights' I need to tie me gauge lights into a switched wire that is not dimmed, as they are LED's. Can anyone help?
thanks

JAceMin 07-11-2009 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by windfall (Post 2818570)
The fuse info is nice, but it is interesting that none is marked 'headlights' or 'parking lights' I need to tie me gauge lights into a switched wire that is not dimmed, as they are LED's. Can anyone help?
thanks


F10 is a good switched hit, as odds are no phone... at least I didn't have one.

if you need a delayed off... F2 works well.

see this:

Terminal 30g: Switched continuous +
The relay terminal 30g is always present.
The relay terminal 30g is activated by the Car Access System (CAS).
Time-dependent cutoff:
The relay terminal 30g switches the connected consumer units off approx. 30 minutes after terminal R Off.
If a telephone is fitted in the vehicle, the after-run time is extended to 60 minutes.
Terminal 30g_f:
The relay terminal 30g-f is only fitted with High equipment, e.g. if the Car Communication Computer (CCC) was ordered.
In the event of faults, the relay terminal 30g-f switches the connected consumer units off. The relay terminal 30g-f is controlled by the junction box electronics.
Relay terminal 30g-f is a bi-stable relay. Each switch mode is retained even without current. Under normal conditions, the relay is always switched on. In the event of a fault, the relay switches the connected consumer units off.
The following switch-off and switch-on conditions apply to the relay terminal 30g-f:

Cutout conditions:
  • Reception of the message ”Signal off”.
    After 5 minutes, relay terminal 30g-f is switched off.
  • The battery status is continuously read out and evaluated in the engine control module. If the starting capability of the vehicle battery is insufficient, the relay is also switched off.
  • Data interchange on the buses for 10 minutes after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
  • Vehicle is 'wakened' 20 times after deactivation of terminal 30g without a switch-on condition.
Switch-on conditions:
When the relay terminal 30g-f is switched off, it can only by switched on again with defined conditions required for switch-on.
Conditions required for switch-on for relay terminal 30g-f:
  • Unlock vehicle
  • Opening the luggage compartment lid / bonnet or door
  • Switching on terminal R


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