Drivetrain DIY Engine Cleaning (Intake Valves)
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Doing the walnut treatment has a high cost of admission. You're going to need a walnut blaster machine, air compressor, and that handy special tool (vacuum attachment) BMW makes so you don't turn your engine bay into a pig pen. If you're not trying to break the bank do it manually with some gun cleaning brushes and assorted garage tools.
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Doing the walnut treatment has a high cost of admission. You're going to need a walnut blaster machine, air compressor, and that handy special tool (vacuum attachment) BMW makes so you don't turn your engine bay into a pig pen. If you're not trying to break the bank do it manually with some gun cleaning brushes and assorted garage tools.
I have a media hopper, air compressor and vacuum. As for the tools, The BMW vacuum attachment is about $75 and nozzle wand is about $25. Crushed walnut shell media is dirt cheap.($14 for a 25 pound bag at my local contractor supply shop)
So for the high cost of admission is not much if you don't buy the BMW one.
-Air compressor =~$140
-Shop Vac =~$60
-Hopper with nozzle =~$60
-Walnut Media =$14
-BMW Attachments = $100 (I'll try to find and post the part numbers)
Total Cost:~$374 (+/- $150 depending on the tools you get)
The cost for me would be $100 for the BMW tools
The Advantages
Pays for itself first time you use it.
Since you would have the tool. Carbon Cleaning the Mini the 2nd time would cost less than $10 in Crushed walnut shell Media.
You can also use it around the house too.
My Issue:
I have media blasted stuff around the house. I have never media blasted inside a engine before and kinda afraid of killing the engine if I screw up.
Also wanted to know how to remove the intake manifold. I've tried to remove it but I couldn't pull it out.
How to turn the engine to shut the valves during cleaning.
Thanks.
Last edited by NY_R56; 02-13-2013 at 11:02 PM.
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I pulled the intake manifold this morning to take a peek at the valves and OMG it looks very nasty. (My Mini has about 55k on it). Note: I've used seafoam and the BMW cleaner every 5-6k, looks like there's no effect whatsoever. Here's a photo of what it looks like.
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Now I just gotta figure out what kind of grit size I need. I was thinking of using a 35-60 or maybe 18-40 walnut grit size since it pretty stuck on there.
Anyone know the size walnut grit BMW uses. Thanks.
Here's the links to the BMW carbon blasting tools.
Found the tools on ECS tuning.
Vacuum attachment Part No: 81292208038
Nozzle attachment Part No: 81292208032
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Couldn't you simply go in with a engine safe cleaner and just clean out all the ports? Then jut blast it with your air nozzle and vacuum out to make sure there is no deposits left in there. I did this on my 4.2l S4 motor just last january and it seemed to work fine. heavy duty cloth and my finger + cleaner. Or is the Walnut blast really that much better.
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Couldn't you simply go in with a engine safe cleaner and just clean out all the ports? Then jut blast it with your air nozzle and vacuum out to make sure there is no deposits left in there. I did this on my 4.2l S4 motor just last january and it seemed to work fine. heavy duty cloth and my finger + cleaner. Or is the Walnut blast really that much better.
I'll try to do some before and after pictures when I get it done and how long it takes me to do it.
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I think the main issue of the carbon buildup is from the long oil changes. I've seen other MINIs worst than mine because they followed BMWs oil change intervals.
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Here's a update.
My tools just came in this morning. The BMW sprayer wand thing didn't work with my sandblasting nozzle. LOL
So I made my own. A valve and a couple of fittings I got from my local hardware store.
Cost = $6
As for the air compressor I used. It is a dinky little 4 gallon bositich compressor since my 20 gal air compressor and good shop vac are shot. Dam hurricane sandy flooded my uncle's basement along with a couple other tools he borrowed.
The media I used is fine crushed walnuts. 24 grit
I'm happy to say it went quicker than I thought Actually a lot quicker than I thought. To decently clean all 4 intake valves took me about 15 minutes.
About a minute to clean one cylinder pretty good and prolly a minute for my air compressor to charge/catch up. My little compressor came on 4 times so a 20 gallon tank would be easily capable of carbon blasting a Mini.
Before:
After:
As for the amount of walnut media used to clean the intake valves. About 5 pounds.
This is how much that was in my vacuum after the valves were clean. And to me the media still looks pretty clean so I can still reuse it for something else.
After I put my Mini back together. I did a test run. I can definitely feel the difference. I have the AP running stage 3 and usually in sport mode always I hit boost cut for some reason but, couldn't figure why it did that. Now no more boost cuts in sport mode.
All in all it took less than a hour to completely carbon blast my Mini. Now I'm going to stop wasting my money buying seafoam and deep creep for my Mini. Instead, since I have to BMW tools to carbon clean. Next time I do it should cost less than five bucks.
Now for the money I saved not going to the dealer is going towards a new air compressor since the old one shot. Debating if I should go for a nice 30gal portable belt driven or 60 gal belt driven stationary($50 difference)
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My tools just came in this morning. The BMW sprayer wand thing didn't work with my sandblasting nozzle. LOL
So I made my own. A valve and a couple of fittings I got from my local hardware store.
Cost = $6
As for the air compressor I used. It is a dinky little 4 gallon bositich compressor since my 20 gal air compressor and good shop vac are shot. Dam hurricane sandy flooded my uncle's basement along with a couple other tools he borrowed.
The media I used is fine crushed walnuts. 24 grit
I'm happy to say it went quicker than I thought Actually a lot quicker than I thought. To decently clean all 4 intake valves took me about 15 minutes.
About a minute to clean one cylinder pretty good and prolly a minute for my air compressor to charge/catch up. My little compressor came on 4 times so a 20 gallon tank would be easily capable of carbon blasting a Mini.
Before:
After:
As for the amount of walnut media used to clean the intake valves. About 5 pounds.
This is how much that was in my vacuum after the valves were clean. And to me the media still looks pretty clean so I can still reuse it for something else.
After I put my Mini back together. I did a test run. I can definitely feel the difference. I have the AP running stage 3 and usually in sport mode always I hit boost cut for some reason but, couldn't figure why it did that. Now no more boost cuts in sport mode.
All in all it took less than a hour to completely carbon blast my Mini. Now I'm going to stop wasting my money buying seafoam and deep creep for my Mini. Instead, since I have to BMW tools to carbon clean. Next time I do it should cost less than five bucks.
Now for the money I saved not going to the dealer is going towards a new air compressor since the old one shot. Debating if I should go for a nice 30gal portable belt driven or 60 gal belt driven stationary($50 difference)
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Seafoam seems to work pretty well as a temporary fix. As it did fix some bad idling before on my Mini.
I think the main issue of the carbon buildup is from the long oil changes. I've seen other MINIs worst than mine because they followed BMWs oil change intervals.
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The vacuum attachment works great. If your doing your own walnut blasting its pretty much required and the nozzle as well. The cleaning wand is designed pretty good. I thought it was a expensive bent tubing.
The vacuum attachment and nozzle go together before you put it in the intake valves. Once the vacuum attachment is in. There is no way to accidentally back out the nozzle to the point the wand comes out and blasts walnut everywhere.
I had some on the forms say to use a brush and some engine cleaner to clean the valves because it was quicker and cleaner. I tried to clean cylinder 1 on my MINI while waiting for the attachment to come in. After 20 minutes of scrubbing, it removed very little carbon, then I gave up. When I used my walnut blaster, I was curious how much a 15 second walnut blast would take off, well the valves were almost spotless. Don't believe me, watch the videos and see in how long it took me to clean them.
Here's a couple of video I did showing how long it takes to decently clean one cylinder. Sorry for the blurriness of the video, stupid autofocus didn't quite work.
Couldn't figure out how it would take more than 3 hours to clean the intake valves. Dam the dealer make alot of money off this cleaning, $900 - $5 in walnut media and less than a hour or so in labor = at least $750 profit. Since I know how to do it now, I could charge like half that and still make a killing.
Cleaning Cylinder 4
http://youtu.be/Ml-869AE_mA
Cleaning Cylinder 2
http://youtu.be/sN_GOrnhUiY
Good luck to anyone trying to walnut blast clean their valves.
NOTE: Don't forget to check to see if your valves are closed before doing this, you don't want walnuts going into you cylinder. How I checked is taking all the spark plugs out and using my mouth I tried to blow air in to see if it had pressure in the cylinder. If it didn't leak, I knew it was closed, if it did I get in my Mini and try to turn over the engine and check again.
I don't know if it would of made a difference in cleaning the carbon off. I did the cleaning after a drive to get some walnut media so the engine was all warmed up. I didn't mind the engine heat since it was 45 degrees outside.
The vacuum attachment and nozzle go together before you put it in the intake valves. Once the vacuum attachment is in. There is no way to accidentally back out the nozzle to the point the wand comes out and blasts walnut everywhere.
I had some on the forms say to use a brush and some engine cleaner to clean the valves because it was quicker and cleaner. I tried to clean cylinder 1 on my MINI while waiting for the attachment to come in. After 20 minutes of scrubbing, it removed very little carbon, then I gave up. When I used my walnut blaster, I was curious how much a 15 second walnut blast would take off, well the valves were almost spotless. Don't believe me, watch the videos and see in how long it took me to clean them.
Here's a couple of video I did showing how long it takes to decently clean one cylinder. Sorry for the blurriness of the video, stupid autofocus didn't quite work.
Couldn't figure out how it would take more than 3 hours to clean the intake valves. Dam the dealer make alot of money off this cleaning, $900 - $5 in walnut media and less than a hour or so in labor = at least $750 profit. Since I know how to do it now, I could charge like half that and still make a killing.
Cleaning Cylinder 4
http://youtu.be/Ml-869AE_mA
Cleaning Cylinder 2
http://youtu.be/sN_GOrnhUiY
Good luck to anyone trying to walnut blast clean their valves.
NOTE: Don't forget to check to see if your valves are closed before doing this, you don't want walnuts going into you cylinder. How I checked is taking all the spark plugs out and using my mouth I tried to blow air in to see if it had pressure in the cylinder. If it didn't leak, I knew it was closed, if it did I get in my Mini and try to turn over the engine and check again.
I don't know if it would of made a difference in cleaning the carbon off. I did the cleaning after a drive to get some walnut media so the engine was all warmed up. I didn't mind the engine heat since it was 45 degrees outside.
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I just dropped 1400 bucks on a nice 25 gallon portable air compressor and its awesome to have 18.5CFM compared to 6CFM my old one one gave.
I just did my cousin's 08 Clubman S yesterday and I wished I took pictures(I got too excited since my air compressor came in yesterday as well.) Hers threw a P0303 & P0304 code which I think are misfiring. The carbon build up on her Clubman is something else. And yes she followed BMW's service intervals since dealer does all her work.
I can say that seafoam does indeed slow down carbon buildup on our valves. My buildup was on the smooth side, but hers is more rough and a lot thicker like in small clumps.
Took about 40 minutes to clean the valves compared to 15 minutes with mine.
What I thought was interesting is that it seem to get rid of most of the cold start rattling noise after I cleaned it.
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