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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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Change in Tire Diameter issues?

I am looking to go from a stock 195/55/16 tire to a 17" and was wondering what issues might come from INCREASING total DIAMETER. My R56 Speedo is off somewhere about 8%...too fast. That means the odometer is registering too many miles (8%) than actually travelled?

If I go to a 215/55/17, the total diameter increase is 1.87" and the speedo will be about 7.653% SLOWER

Pro reasons for doing this:
Correct Speedo issue
Possibly fill some Wheel Gap without lowering
Have a 17" wheel with still some sidewall height to protect wheel and comfort ride.

Con reasons??:
Unsprung weight increase
Brake wear?
Handling?

What issues am I not thinking about?

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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 08:54 AM
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Slower acceleration due to change in gearing.

Car will be higher off the ground. (Basically raising your car)
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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Thanks, didn't think of ride height...don't want to increase that really...was more worried about wheel gap and speedo...I guess I should keep size very similar to stock...rubbing, slower accel, higher ride all don't outweigh the potential benefits..
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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...not to mention going with a tire that tall with make the MINI look like a monster truck! If you want to improve speedo accuracy without messing up the aesthetics or inducing rubbing a 215/45-17 is a good option. The displayed speed on the R56 is much more optimistic than the OBDII sees. Basically the car is lying to you to keep your speed in check; very similar to most sport-bikes.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
...not to mention going with a tire that tall with make the MINI look like a monster truck! If you want to improve speedo accuracy without messing up the aesthetics or inducing rubbing a 215/45-17 is a good option. The displayed speed on the R56 is much more optimistic than the OBDII sees. Basically the car is lying to you to keep your speed in check; very similar to most sport-bikes.
Too tall is risky for rubbing.

215/45-17 is your best bet. Use a 17x7 rim.

215/55-17 is too tall.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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8% is a huge amount for your speedo to be off. When you read 60, you are only going 55 if your deviation is 8%. How did you determine this? 195/55/16 is a 24.5" dia. which is stock and should be usable as a standard to figure how far off other tires will be if you change your dia. 8% sounds like too big of a deviation unless something is wrong with the speedo.
Also, why would a company that trades on performance want to underestimate the performance? Or more importantly, what German engineer could sleep at night knowing he made a devise that was 8% off.
 

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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 09:57 PM
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Please visit http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp and run the numbers.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoXCooper.com
Please visit http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp and run the numbers.
I'll bet BMW's calculator isn't 8% off.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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I'm doing the same thing you are. I myself am looking at the 215/50-16 and the 215/45-17. Two totally different looks but they are the closest to factory.

This is a post by YYC in another thread and he provided this info from another site.

On street cars, it should have an overall diameter that is within ±3% of the factory specification. The ±3% variation is recommended for street cars in order to maintain accurate speed data going into the computer, thus keeping odometer and speedometer changes negligible. While a ±3% diameter increase or reduction in tire diameter may sound very limiting, in most cases it allows approximately a ±3/4" diameter change.

Assuming 24.00" (609.6mm) as the factory specification for overall diameter, any of the following tire sizes may be appropriate:
+-----------+-------------------+
| TIRE SIZE | DIAMETER |
+-----------+-------------------+
| 195/55-15 | 23.44in (595.5mm) |
| 205/40-17 | 23.46in (595.8mm) |
| 215/50-15 | 23.46in (596.0mm) |
| 215/45-16 | 23.62in (599.9mm) |
| 195/50-16 | 23.68in (601.4mm) |
| 185/60-15 | 23.74in (603.0mm) |
| 215/40-17 | 23.77in (603.8mm) |
| 205/55-15 | 23.88in (606.5mm) |
| 215/35-18 | 23.93in (607.7mm) |
| 175/65-15 | 23.96in (608.5mm) |
| 225/45-16 | 23.97in (608.9mm) |
| 205/50-16 | 24.07in (611.4mm) |
| 225/40-17 | 24.09in (611.8mm) |
| 225/35-18 | 24.20in (614.7mm) |
| 195/60-15 | 24.21in (615.0mm) |
| 205/45-17 | 24.26in (616.3mm) |
| 215/55-15 | 24.31in (617.5mm) |
| 195/55-16 | 24.44in (620.9mm) |
| 215/50-16 | 24.46in (621.4mm) |
| 185/65-15 | 24.47in (621.5mm) |
| 215/45-17 | 24.62in (625.3mm) |
+-----------+-------------------+

NOTES:
Stock fitments are highlighted
Fitment dependent on wheel offset and suspension setup
Tires availabilty may be limited in certain sizes
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TerryD
8% is a huge amount for your speedo to be off. When you read 60, you are only going 55 if your deviation is 8%. How did you determine this? 195/55/16 is a 24.5" dia. which is stock and should be usable as a standard to figure how far off other tires will be if you change your dia. 8% sounds like too big of a deviation unless something is wrong with the speedo.
Also, why would a company that trades on performance want to underestimate the performance? Or more importantly, what German engineer could sleep at night knowing he made a devise that was 8% off.
The only way I know I am off 8% is by a Radar Sign that posts speed as you approach. If I am doing 35, the radar says 33. Or if I am doing 50, the radar says 46....I haven't tried 100MPH yet since it is usally near school zones. and it seems like I read a thread in here about the speedo being off. The Radar may be off as well. I haven't clocked it on mile markers or GPS yet.

After looking at the many negatives of increasing diameter, I will probably go with a 215/45/17...closest/widest/tallest fit without increasing diameter more than 3/16". Thanks for the help...
 

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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoXCooper.com
Please visit http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp and run the numbers.
Thanks, that is where I got my numbers...
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Gumby!
and it seems like I read a thread in here about the speedo being off.
There are many threads here that deal with the inaccuracy of the speedo and yes they are off by as much as 5-8%.

I'll bet BMW's calculator isn't 8% off.
My 525iT wagon is off my about 6%.

and many manufacturers do this. even my 1999 Dodge fullsize pick is 5% off unfortunately it is off in what i concider the wrong direction. when the speedo says i am doing 55 i am acutally doing more like 62

Just remember one thing any - change in tire size will affect the speedometers reading. Even tires from the same manufacturer of the same size but different models can be cause as much as 1.5% to 2% difference in speed readings
 
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